Delta has a TA
05-21-2012 | 12:08 PM
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05-21-2012 | 12:17 PM
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[QUOTE=Timbo;1192818]Just like we have our group (ALPA), and we talk to other ALPA pilots about what we at DL are going to negotiate for, so do the Airline CEO's. It used to be called the ATA, Air Transport Assn. They just changed the name to Airlines For America. (A4A) About A4A
I think it was last year, or the year before, our own Richard Anderson was the President.
You don't suppose all those CEO's talk to each other about negotiating strategy at their meetings?
I'll bet you a tall latte that Jeff Smisek knew exactly what our T/A was going to be a couple months ago, if not longer.
Oh, and A4A is of course an "Industry Lobby Group". They pay the boys in Congress at least $10X the dollars our ALPA PAC does, why do you think no pilot group has been released to self help, in how many years?
Here's the A4A BOD, even Horton from AA is on it;
If you think A4A is bad, Google the "Airline Industrial Relations Conference". That will get your attention.
I think it was last year, or the year before, our own Richard Anderson was the President.
You don't suppose all those CEO's talk to each other about negotiating strategy at their meetings?
I'll bet you a tall latte that Jeff Smisek knew exactly what our T/A was going to be a couple months ago, if not longer.
Oh, and A4A is of course an "Industry Lobby Group". They pay the boys in Congress at least $10X the dollars our ALPA PAC does, why do you think no pilot group has been released to self help, in how many years?
Here's the A4A BOD, even Horton from AA is on it;
If you think A4A is bad, Google the "Airline Industrial Relations Conference". That will get your attention.
05-21-2012 | 12:17 PM
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05-21-2012 | 12:45 PM
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If we are actually giving back some profit sharing, I feel that is a direct shot at us from management which, as others have stated, could equate to actually getting pay cuts.
Do you remember the kind words from the letter we got with profit sharing in 2011. Here it is below (highlights are mine)
Do you remember the kind words from the letter we got with profit sharing in 2011. Here it is below (highlights are mine)
Congratulations and thank you! Today Delta is paying out $313 million in profit sharing – a direct result of your hard work and dedication that enabled Delta to record a $1.4 billion profit for 2010. We continue to deliver on our commitment to share Delta's successes with those who make it possible.
Profit sharing is not a one-time payout. Instead, it is part of your total compensation that includes a competitive package of pay, benefits and work rules along with additional opportunities to earn more when the company performs well. This year's profit sharing continues the momentum that we've gained during the last four years, enabling continued investments in our people:
During the toughest of economic times this industry has faced, we kept our deals. When other major airlines were announcing involuntary furloughs, outsourcing and hiring freezes – Delta kept its commitment to no frontline involuntary furloughs as a result of the merger; we were bringing Reservations jobs back to the U.S.; we were insourcing in TechOps, Cargo and Airport Customer Service; and, in the last year alone, we added more than 4,000 new frontline jobs.
In 2010, we completed virtually all our merger integration, expanded our global network, strengthened our industry-leading joint venture and alliance relationships, and began a massive investment in our product and the technology that supports the way we do business every day. Our progress has been remarkable.
I hope you'll all take some time today to celebrate with one another. We're proud of what you've achieved. And, in addition to celebrations your leaders are hosting today across the system, full-page advertisements in USA Today, the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Detroit Free Press and the Atlanta Journal-Constitution newspapers salute you, the best employees in the world.
It's a good time to be at Delta Air Lines. Our plan is working and while we have a great deal of work ahead of us, our opportunities are tremendous. With the dedication and determination of Delta people, I have no doubt we'll successfully face the challenges of 2011.
Thank you for all you do for Delta every day.
Profit sharing is not a one-time payout. Instead, it is part of your total compensation that includes a competitive package of pay, benefits and work rules along with additional opportunities to earn more when the company performs well. This year's profit sharing continues the momentum that we've gained during the last four years, enabling continued investments in our people:
- Coming out of bankruptcy in 2007, Delta employees received $1 billion in incentives and improved compensation and benefit programs.
- For our strong financial performance in 2007, employees earned $158 million in profit sharing.
- As a testament to the airline we would build together, Delta employees were granted 15% equity in the combined company following the close of the merger in 2008, valued at approximately $900 million at the time of distribution.
- For solid operational performance in 2009, Delta people earned approximately $66 million through monthly operational performance bonuses.
- For three consecutive years, Delta increased base pay for frontline people, making good on a pre-merger promise to bring Delta base pay rates to industry-standard by the end of 2010.
- And today, as a direct reflection of your hard work and our merger's success, we are sharing the largest profit sharing payout in our airline's history.
During the toughest of economic times this industry has faced, we kept our deals. When other major airlines were announcing involuntary furloughs, outsourcing and hiring freezes – Delta kept its commitment to no frontline involuntary furloughs as a result of the merger; we were bringing Reservations jobs back to the U.S.; we were insourcing in TechOps, Cargo and Airport Customer Service; and, in the last year alone, we added more than 4,000 new frontline jobs.
In 2010, we completed virtually all our merger integration, expanded our global network, strengthened our industry-leading joint venture and alliance relationships, and began a massive investment in our product and the technology that supports the way we do business every day. Our progress has been remarkable.
I hope you'll all take some time today to celebrate with one another. We're proud of what you've achieved. And, in addition to celebrations your leaders are hosting today across the system, full-page advertisements in USA Today, the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Detroit Free Press and the Atlanta Journal-Constitution newspapers salute you, the best employees in the world.
It's a good time to be at Delta Air Lines. Our plan is working and while we have a great deal of work ahead of us, our opportunities are tremendous. With the dedication and determination of Delta people, I have no doubt we'll successfully face the challenges of 2011.
Thank you for all you do for Delta every day.
05-21-2012 | 12:47 PM
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From: blueJet
May 21, 2012
Council 48,
Today, the Delta MEC approved the TA. This means that all pilots will have an opportunity to review and study the proposal that our negotiators obtained over the last eight weeks. Our negotiators have been in continuous negotiations over many issues, but this TA addresses the two biggest concerns from the survey: scope and pay.
Council 48,
Today, the Delta MEC approved the TA. This means that all pilots will have an opportunity to review and study the proposal that our negotiators obtained over the last eight weeks. Our negotiators have been in continuous negotiations over many issues, but this TA addresses the two biggest concerns from the survey: scope and pay.
05-21-2012 | 12:50 PM
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I haven't been paying attention to the news today. Did we declare bankruptcy again?
05-21-2012 | 12:51 PM
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If we are actually giving back some profit sharing, I feel that is a direct shot at us from management which, as others have stated, could equate to actually getting pay cuts.
Do you remember the kind words from the letter we got with profit sharing in 2011. Here it is below (highlights are mine)
Do you remember the kind words from the letter we got with profit sharing in 2011. Here it is below (highlights are mine)
Management Disclaimer: Management has the right to change the truth to accommodate whatever our goals are at any given time. Any future looking statements or comments supersede previous comments which become null and void.
05-21-2012 | 01:11 PM
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T, do you believe the NC did the absolute best that could have been done? Performed with perfection and left the other side of the table wondering "what just happened?" Well, that's the peak level of performance, and the bottom is not far from where they actually performed. Do you honestly believe another NC unencumbered by big brother ALPA and its RJ interests couldn't have done better? Heck, event a DALPA team that was less concerned with keeping a good relationship with management could have done better than this. At least some on the MEC obviously agree with this.
05-21-2012 | 01:15 PM
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Just got the Council 1 perspective by e-mail. They voted no as I would have voted, Bravo! They suggest pay raises were easily doable by informing management of a sure passage by pilots given a certain pay level. I say we send management a message and not only vote no, but by a wide margin and give them a serious "do-over". There's still PLENTY of time before the amenable date and management doesn't want us to upset the apple cart.
Seriously, it seems to me with profit sharing, current scope and the inevitable demise of 50-seaters, we come out ahead with our current bankruptcy contract.
By the way, it's management's job to plan for our aircraft fleet, not the pilots'.
Oh, and 4+8.5+3+3=18.5 minus 9 (3 years of inflation) = a 9.5% realized raise over 3 years.
Seriously, it seems to me with profit sharing, current scope and the inevitable demise of 50-seaters, we come out ahead with our current bankruptcy contract.
By the way, it's management's job to plan for our aircraft fleet, not the pilots'.
Oh, and 4+8.5+3+3=18.5 minus 9 (3 years of inflation) = a 9.5% realized raise over 3 years.
Couldn't agree more ELVIS. I feel better with our current contract then this turd. This is my 4th ALPA carrier and this is a EPIC failure. I hold this to the level of failure that i experienced when at Air Wisconsin when i was boned out of 40,000 because Air Wisconsin screwed us out of concessions that were ment to maintain our United Express contract. I still to this day do not understand how our ALPA legal team was not able to get me more than $2500.
I am a very Junior like you ELVIS and i will certainly be voting NO. I will take my chance with profit sharing next year when we will make hundreds of millions. This contract seems like a net neutral after everything is said and done.
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