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gloopy 06-04-2012 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1204278)
Quite frankly that was one of the few items in the TA that has my complete support and respect.

That part is pure unadulterated union stuff. It's long been my chief complaint about ALPA. An organization that has somehow forgotten why and how ALPA exists.

This is one of those few instances where someone remembered and insisted and recognition of that is in order.

Cheers
George

My only problem with it is how it came to be in there in the first place. Was any of that ALPA leverage or the "meet and confer" round table crap? Also, a horrible side effect of this could be RAH joining ALPA and then gaining subsequent leverage over us in defending their "share" of DL flying or having any say in our futures in even a small way. Although I guess it won't matter either way since we exempted them for life anyway. :mad: We really, really need a barf icon BTW.

Jesse 06-04-2012 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1195367)
ALPA is a poisoned well.

Even if we recall every single rep, we're still stuck wasting money on a "union" that must look out for RJ pilots as much as they look out for us. Our interests are subjugated.

How much juice was spent to get the "ALPA carrier" hiring requirements in our TA? I don't think that was anywhere in the survey.



The fact that it is in there is proof ALPA has a conflict of interest. Our TA is being used to get ALPA more cred with DCI. Why is our NC carrying the water for those who are not DAL pilots? Nothing against those guys, I wish them well, but if you did not see the conflict of interest before you now have the proof right in front of your eyes. The only question is what we gave up to get it for ALPA. Disgraceful.

crewdawg52 06-04-2012 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by Jesse (Post 1204457)
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The fact that it is in there is proof ALPA has a conflict of interest. Our TA is being used to get ALPA more cred with DCI. Why is our NC carrying the water for those who are not DAL pilots? Nothing against those guys, I wish them well, but if you did not see the conflict of interest before you now have the proof right in front of your eyes. The only question is what we gave up to get it for ALPA. Disgraceful.


This TA has Lee Moak and ALPA National all over it. I would say it's in there to protect ALPA's butts in case of another law suit for failure to represent the RJ carriers.

finis72 06-04-2012 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg52 (Post 1204498)
This TA has Lee Moak and ALPA National all over it. I would say it's in there to protect ALPA's butts in case of another law suit for failure to represent the RJ carriers.

That rascal Moak again, if it weren't for him we would all be making 600k and working on Tuesdays.

More Bacon 06-04-2012 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by finis72 (Post 1204518)
making 600k and working on Tuesdays.

Yep, that pretty much sums up Moak

80ktsClamp 06-04-2012 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by finis72 (Post 1204518)
That rascal Moak again, if it weren't for him we would all be making 600k and working on Tuesdays.

I have a friend that is a group lead at national.

He phoned me up a couple months ago and said "you know, I never thought I'd say this, but after working with Moak for a little while, I completely understand why you put in your DPA card.

He has a very strong influence over O'Malley and the current administration at DALPA, you cannot deny that.

finis72 06-04-2012 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1204630)
I have a friend that is a group lead at national.

He phoned me up a couple months ago and said "you know, I never thought I'd say this, but after working with Moak for a little while, I completely understand why you put in your DPA card.

He has a very strong influence over O'Malley and the current administration at DALPA, you cannot deny that.

Yes I can. Dave Garret (RIP) had a strong influence over Ron Allen yet when Ronnie took over he was his own (and much lesser) man. I think you are selling O'Malley and our MEC short.

More Bacon 06-04-2012 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by finis72 (Post 1204650)
I think you are selling O'Malley and our MEC short.

Seriously?

They just got steamrolled by the NC--or they were too weak to exert their influence over the proceedings.

How exactly are we "selling them short?"

finis72 06-04-2012 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1204711)
Seriously?

They just got steamrolled by the NC--or they were too weak to exert their influence over the proceedings.

How exactly are we "selling them short?"

Take off your agenda glasses, there is a whole other world that you are missing.

tomgoodman 06-04-2012 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1204274)
It is management's job to figure out what could pass by 50.1%.

Yes, if a T/A were to pass by 90%, they would probably kick themselves.


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