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astroglider 05-25-2012 03:11 AM

"Delta poised to start a great contract. "
 
"Delta poised to start a great contract. "

These are the immortal words of the Great Karnack. I couldn't believe someone would actually make such a post here. WOW! Oh great one, please enlighten us, what exactly is so great about this T/A?

Just the facts please.

Astro

tsquare 05-25-2012 03:30 AM


Originally Posted by astroglider (Post 1196967)
"Delta poised to start a great contract. "

These are the immortal words of the Great Karnack. I couldn't believe someone would actually make such a post here. WOW! Oh great one, please enlighten us, what exactly is so great about this T/A?

Just the facts please.

Astro

Go read it, and quit waiting for someone to spoon feed you everything. You might just learn something if you have to dissect it for yourself. I know I did.

People say they don't want spin or agendas, but are unwilling to read and discover for themselves. You can't get any more unbiased that what you learn on your own...

astroglider 05-25-2012 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1196973)
Go read it, and quit waiting for someone to spoon feed you everything. You might just learn something if you have to dissect it for yourself. I know I did.

People say they don't want spin or agendas, but are unwilling to read and discover for themselves. You can't get any more unbiased that what you learn on your own...

My post wasn't directed to you but I guess you're having a bad day and felt the need to comment? Sorry 'bout that tsquare I hope your day improves. You make one hell of an assumption, in fact your post really doesn't even deserve a response, except to say, no wonder Carl calls you condescending...what year did you graduate from the Air Force Academy (77,78) anyway?

Get a life man, you post more in a day than I do per year, do you feel you must add your 2 cents to every post?

Astro

Sink r8 05-25-2012 07:26 AM

Think about this thread, astro.

When you're in the business of starting a new thread to call out a poster on their opinion, you're actually in the TOTD business. It's the equivalent of being in a conversation with someone, standing up on a chair, and calling them a moron to the assembly.

Complaining when people calmly observe you're on a chair? Flirting with another TOTD moment.

If you want to discuss Karnak's opinion, it can be done without the grandstanding or the sarcasm. Go ahead, now that you've got everyone's attention, and make your point.

Here's a quote, if you need to start a new thread: It's impossible to find common ground on this TA if we can't handle our disagreements with respect.

astroglider 05-25-2012 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1197153)
Think about this thread, astro.

When you're in the business of starting a new thread to call out a poster on their opinion, you're actually in the TOTD business. It's the equivalent of being in a conversation with someone, standing up on a chair, and calling them a moron to the assembly.

Complaining when people calmly observe you're on a chair? Flirting with another TOTD moment.

If you want to discuss Karnak's opinion, it can be done without the grandstanding or the sarcasm. Go ahead, now that you've got everyone's attention, and make your point.

Here's a quote, if you need to start a new thread: It's impossible to find common ground on this TA if we can't handle our disagreements with respect.

TOTD is what? The thought of the day or something. Sorry I'm not really following you. You're really stretching with the chair analogy. Where oh where do you think I'm calling this guy a moron? Are you the moderator or are you like tssquared who seems to think he needs to comment on every post on this board. Looking at the number of posts you have it seems to be the latter.

I posted a new thread because Karnack's post was buried on page twenty-something of some thread. I wanted to #1 make sure others had seen it, and #2 ask Karnack to enlighten us. I mean call this T/A what you like, passable or not passable...nobody, not even the MEC, is calling it a great T/A...except Karnack. So I was interested if not incredulous. It was decidedly not a personal attack.

Then tsSquared jumps in and immediately accuses me of not reading the T/A. You talk of respectful, is that respectful? Nope. Are you defending him? Just curious.

Let's debate the facts. When Karnack gives us some of items in this T/A that he thinks are "Great", we will have that debate. You are welcome to join the discussion.

TenYearsGone 05-25-2012 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1196973)
Go read it, and quit waiting for someone to spoon feed you everything. You might just learn something if you have to dissect it for yourself. I know I did.

People say they don't want spin or agendas, but are unwilling to read and discover for themselves. You can't get any more unbiased that what you learn on your own...

T, I respect you. I have read this TA to the best of my ability (6 times). I even paid an attorney ($350-a friend of mine who is into contract law//makes over 7 figures a year). I trust him, he is a fraternity brother of mine. I asked him to be honest after his readings.

I vote NO because of what I saw, I also have confidence in my vote because of what he said.

I believe in unity and the process of voting. Please read and ask questions. I can not reiterate this enough.

TEN

Sink r8 05-25-2012 02:16 PM

You're right, let's debate the facts. I'm a little spring-loaded against some of the techniques being used when trying to make a point.

crewdawg52 05-25-2012 02:51 PM

Big NO for me too!

acl65pilot 05-25-2012 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1197523)
T, I respect you. I have read this TA to the best of my ability (6 times). I even paid an attorney ($350-a friend of mine who is into contract law//makes over 7 figures a year). I trust him, he is a fraternity brother of mine. I asked him to be honest after his readings.

I vote NO because of what I saw, I also have confidence in my vote because of what he said.

I believe in unity and the process of voting. Please read and ask questions. I can not reiterate this enough.

TEN

If your friends case was so compelling, post his reasoning.

Carl Spackler 05-25-2012 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1197153)
Think about this thread, astro.

When you're in the business of starting a new thread to call out a poster on their opinion, you're actually in the TOTD business. It's the equivalent of being in a conversation with someone, standing up on a chair, and calling them a moron to the assembly.

Complaining when people calmly observe you're on a chair? Flirting with another TOTD moment.

If you want to discuss Karnak's opinion, it can be done without the grandstanding or the sarcasm. Go ahead, now that you've got everyone's attention, and make your point.

Here's a quote, if you need to start a new thread: It's impossible to find common ground on this TA if we can't handle our disagreements with respect.

Indeed. Did you think about that at all when you said it took a lot more balls for the LEC reps to vote YES, than the LEC reps who voted NO? What about when you went on to accuse them of political grandstanding with theirvNO votes because they knew the rest of the MEC was going to save their bacon and vote YES?

Ah yes, respect. You certainly set the standard. :rolleyes:

Carl


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