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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1198525)

Turning July and August into 30 day months is also a huge factor that wll allow for fewer pilots.

An a degradation in reserve QOL. What's min reserve days off at SWA-17 (versus 12)?

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1198290)

1. The ratios and such are neat, and with the 717 carrot it seems to spell growth, but the numbers just don't guarantee growth. On top of that, everyone official is dodging the issue of the possibility of the AirTran 717 pilots coming over with the airplanes. It could give some growth to us, but with the mainline airplanes that are going to be parked (replaced...) over the coming years, it will not be much. I'm overall for the idea, but the fact is we are giving DCI 70 long term viable airplanes in exchange for parking around 190 short term viable planes. So, while marginalizing the size of DCI we are increasing their scope of viability and longevity. The language needs to be tightened up on the exceptions particularly for me to vote yes on this.

Not sure if this rumor even applies to this TA, but this is the second reference I've heard regarding bringing the AirTran pilots over with the 717s. The first was from a SWA buddy at my guard unit. I thought he was joking initially. I guess RA / ALPA have a plan for everything.

If the AirTran pilots are an unhappy bunch now...what kind of deal would ALPA have to work to appease them if they come to mother Delta?

NO, thank you.

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Originally Posted by Reservebum (Post 1198603)

I actually heard this from a FL buddy 3 months ago b4 the TA was even close. He said the rumor he heard was anyone on the 717 would be allowed to "volunteer" to go with the planes.

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Originally Posted by BigGuns (Post 1198611)

I actually heard this from a FL buddy 3 months ago b4 the TA was even close. He said the rumor he heard was anyone on the 717 would be allowed to "volunteer" to go with the planes.

According to an AT pilot on this board, all AT pilots are now officially SWA pilots. There are no more AT pilots. Delta is purchasing just the aircraft and not the operation(gates, slots, etc), and so the fragmentation clause can not be triggered.

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1198619)

So they are officially no longer represented by ALPA, but instead by SWAPA?

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Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1198639)

So they are officially no longer represented by ALPA, but instead by SWAPA?

That I'm not sure of. Regardless, I'd still like legally bound proof that they aren't coming.

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1198619)

I thought they're not SWA until they go to the SWA indoc, which for 717 pilots could be a few years. That they're FL until then but they have their place on the seniority list.

At least that's what I thought.

Still the blastmail from DALPA, DAL, SWA and ALPA denouncing this rumor and setting the record straight should be here in 3... 2... 3... 2... ... 3...

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Originally Posted by BigGuns (Post 1198611)

I actually heard this from a FL buddy 3 months ago b4 the TA was even close. He said the rumor he heard was anyone on the 717 would be allowed to "volunteer" to go with the planes.

Passed through ATL on two separate lounge discussions with reps, and that was an unequivocal "no". Same answer from my own rep.

I think Dickson announced the delivery schedule, and it's not fast enough to trigger fragmentation language AND I think it's quite clear the planes are leased from Boeing, not SWA. As far as I know, this rumor has been debunked a long time ago.

The tranny pilots coming over is a small aside and likely not a factor on my list. There are more pressing and real issues with the TA than some highly unlikely possibility of them coming with the planes...

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1198525)

Turning July and August into 30 day months is also a huge factor that wll allow for fewer pilots.

More importantly ... does the jet cool better full of passengers, flight attendant jumpseats and the cockpit jumpseater's knee in my ribs with those damn recirc fans on or off ? Where's PACMAN when you need him ?