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Columbia 05-30-2012 04:47 AM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1200640)
If Europe is falling apart, where do you think that places us, in terms of negotiating on the traditional track?

If Europe is falling apart, why the "20% pay raise?". What if Europe isn't falling apart. If Europe is falling apart, why is the company and Wall St forecasting record profits? Do you know something that they don't? Maybe you should tell them.

Columbia 05-30-2012 04:53 AM


Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1200646)
And as I stated in another thread, who would leave a 20% pay increase and some work rule improvements on the table during the time it normally takes to negotiate (2 1/2 years after amendable date) a normal contract? That is nuts.

Who? Maybe the people who used to be paid more 10 years ago for doing the same job in a worse economy and with worse company financials. Were you even at a regional 10 years ago or were you still flight instructing?

Sink r8 05-30-2012 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1200688)
If Europe is falling apart, why the "20% pay raise?". What if Europe isn't falling apart. If Europe is falling apart, why is the company and Wall St forecasting record profits? Do you know something that they don't? Maybe you should tell them.

Right. I think you made a wrong turn somewhere in the conversation. I'm not claiming to know the future, I was asking a question on the previous post, which argued we ought to vote against and supposed that Europe is going to take it on the chin.

DAL73n 05-30-2012 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1200646)
Then why get the new MD90s? What are they for? There are probably many moving parts to the future of this airline, some Dalpa probably can't talk about. What type of flying would the 717s be doing? I see those LGA slots that we traded USair for that are initially slated for large RJs. Then throw more into ATL to do DC9 flying as they leave. It's still a plus in the 110 seat market.

And as I stated in another thread, who would leave a 20% pay increase and some work rule improvements on the table during the time it normally takes to negotiate (2 1/2 years after amendable date) a normal contract? That is nuts.

Except with the work rule concessions and decrease in profit sharing (lose approximately 2%/year (could be more if fuel stays down) - so your 20% is now 14%. Working more (increase in ALV and reserve rules) takes away the value of the pay increase - I want to work less, not more. So, let's get our numbers right.


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