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Old 06-14-2012, 09:21 AM
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Reasons to Vote “NO” for the Tentative Agreement

The MEC Administration and Negotiating Committee have repeatedly misled the Delta Pilot group and broken promises through this process. Consider the following ALPA and Delta quotes and negative contract changes:



PROMISE - “While we will attempt to expedite the process, we will not compromise the product.” Capt O’ Malley

PROMISE - “We will not sacrifice the quality of the agreement for the sake of expediency” Negotiating Committee

REALITY – “I do not believe it meets the direction that the pilots gave us, nor do I believe it is the best product in this negotiating environment ” Ron Morrell – Council 54

REALITY - “Labor clearly has to buy our raises through productivity more hours flown, and a 33 percent reduction in profit sharing as directed by the expanded negotiating team and not the MEC.” Art Aaron – Council 54



STATEMENT - “We conducted a comprehensive web-based Contract Survey....We’ve heard you loud and clear.” Negotiating Committee

TRUTH - “The TA should not be judged compared to the pilots’ aspirations as reflected in the contract survey, there is no context to their wishes.” Capt O’Malley

TRUTH - “Through phone calls, e-mails; text messages; face-to-face conversations at LEC meetings, lounge visits, and PUB events; and, yes, the contract survey, you gave your direction to us, and the agreement simply does not meet that direction.” Council 1 Chair and Vice Chair

TRUTH - “I wish that I could report to you that the MEC has reached a tentative agreement with the Company that met or exceeded the direction of our members as determined through the Contact Survey, but I cannot.” Tom Tucker Council 20



STATEMENT – “Is this TA a "zero cost" TA? Not for the pilot group!” Negotiating Committee

TRUTH - “These productivity enhancements combined with the ability to restructure our domestic network and retire inefficient 50-seat aircraft, add 717s and 76 seaters, provide significant value to Delta to cover the costs of our employee investments.” Richard Anderson – Delta CEO

TRUTH - “The fleet changes provided by this agreement, coupled with the productivity and profit sharing changes, cover the investments in our employees.” Mike Campbell – Delta EVP

TRUTH - “This is a cost neutral contract for the company and a lost opportunity for Delta pilots.” Tom Tucker Council 20



STATEMENT – “This section of the PWA has a number of significant improvements, including: the elimination of the Company’s Sick Leave Monitoring Program.” Negotiating Committee

FACT - New language is proposed in Section 14 – Sick Leave that permanently establishes a Sick Leave Verification Policy that legally authorizes Delta the right to demand proof of illness and forces the affected pilot to release their personal medical records to the company on even THE FIRST SICK CALL should they have a “good faith basis” to do so. See 14. F. 4. and 14. G. This is dangerous language that invades the pilot’s privacy and could lead to termination scenarios.

FACT – In 2005, an arbitrator ordered Delta Air Lines to cease and desist its Sick Leave Monitoring Program and remove all warning and disciplinary letters collected. Now ALPA wants to legalize further invasion of Delta Pilots’ privacy and give back what it has won in arbitration once before. Are Delta Pilots being represented here or are they being managed once again?



STATEMENT - “The goal of the MEC in these negotiations was to bring you an agreement that leads the industry.” Negotiating Committee

TRUTH - “The pilot expectation on pay was SWA book rates plus on the amendable date.” Pat Harney Council 54

TRUTH - “Do you really want to have a contract that will lose money to inflation in the out years of 2014 and 2015?” – Art Aaron Council 54

TRUTH - “The direction was clearly that the Delta pilots expected to be the highest-paid in the industry. Not by year three or four, but immediately.” Steve Mayer Council 1

TRUTH - “I would also suggest that in this case taking money from profit sharing to add to pay rates is similar to taking money from your savings account and depositing it in your checking account. After the transaction is complete you are no richer than when you started.” Steve Mayer Council 1



STATEMENT – “One of the major objectives of this Section 6 negotiation, as determined by the survey, was to increase the amount of flying done by the mainline.” Negotiating Committee

TRUTH - “We know that you will not be satisfied without significant pay raises tightening of scope, better retirement and benefits, etc., and neither will we. We have every intention of returning the Delta pilots to their rightful place: leading the industry.” Chris Nevins Council 66

FACT – Section 1 Scope establishes Delta Private Jets as a recognized entity allowing premium paying passengers to be flown by non-Delta seniority list pilots.

FACT – Section 1 Scope allows 70 more 76 seat aircraft thereby reviving and extending a business model that was dying a natural death otherwise.

TRUTH - “ALPA needed to allow scope relief for more 76-seat two-class-service regional jets. I did not find scope to be a clear improvement despite a cap and block-hour limits that take effect years from now.” Art Aaron Council 54



OTHER ISSUES

Profit Sharing reduced by one third as Delta enters its most profitable season. (Section 3. I.)

No attempt to correct Disability payments that are still offset (reduced) by PBGC benefit payments.

No provision to correct the underfunding of the former NWA frozen pension plan.

Certain Former NWA pilots only receiving 1% or 4% Defined Contribution until 2014.

Language requiring Delta to provide a Brokerage Link account REMOVED from the DPSP Section 26 C. 1.

Language added requiring that fees for third party financial advisors in the DPSP and DC Plan be paid OUT OF POCKET.

Loss of Vision Plan benefits

Section 13 Jury Duty restrictive language added possibly resulting in UNPAID Jury Duty or reduced pay.

ALPA uses negotiating capital for preferential hiring from ALPA represented regionals. (35% of all new hires)

No language preventing the 717 from becoming replacement aircraft instead of growth aircraft.

Block hour ratios not limited by reductions in wide-body flying.

MEM (RJ Only base) designated as a Delta Hub while SEA is excluded as a hub. (Section 1.B.23.)

Seniority List Instructors now only required on MVs and LOEs where a Type rating is being obtained. DGS Instructors may now conduct MVs and LOEs for non-type rides. (Loss of SLI jobs and line proficient instruction. (Section 11.C.1.a.)

Summer Bid periods reduced to 30 days, removing a day off for reserves.

ALV increased by two hours. (340 estimated jobs lost on this alone.)

Reserves can be flown to 99 hours by assigning trips that exceed the ALV by 15 hours. (More productivity = less jobs)

Distributed Training paid at 1 minute pay for 2 minutes of training (improvement, but should be 1 for 1)

Minimum Reserve guarantee of 72 hours inadequate. (Section 4.C.1.)

No language providing Premium Pay guaranteed over an established number of block hours.

Pay time based on door closure NOT ESTABLISHED.

Inadequate minimum pay and credit of 4:30 does not apply to days with late departures (2200) or early arrivals (0200). (Minimum credit needs to be substantially higher and apply to calendar days without exception.)

Ability to request multiple Short Call assignments in succession has been DELETED.

Loss of several Prescription Drug benefits.

Former NWA Trip Rig/Duty Rig Grievance among others, no attempt at resolution.

This bankruptcy era contract extension continues devaluation of Delta Pilot careers until December 31, 2015!

LOA 11 – Pilot Retiree Medical Account program only narrowly open for 30 days beginning July 1, 2012.

MOU #2 – Neutral Doctor Process Amendment to the D & S Plan allows the Company Plan Administrator to demand all of the Pilot’s medical records and subject them to a Company conducted medical exam as often as annually while on Disability.

NOTE: This list of concessions and negative changes is not all inclusive and is derived from the Tentative Agreement Revision “K” as posted by ALPA on June 4, 2012. Further revisions have not been incorporated and could be additionally harmful.
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There is no place for this kind of "No or Yes" post here or anywhere.

All - read as much FACT BASED INFORMATION as you can. Look in the mirror and and answer questions like these: Is this good for me. my family, my career. then vote. This type of hyperbole helps no one.
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Originally Posted by sevenfiveseven View Post
There is no place for this kind of "No or Yes" post here or anywhere.

All - read as much FACT BASED INFORMATION as you can. Look in the mirror and and answer questions like these: Is this good for me. my family, my career. then vote. This type of hyperbole helps no one.
Bologna! It most certainly does help. People need to understand what went very wrong with this TA. It is short sited and does long term damage over the alternative.

I want to point out short term vs long term thinking. Crossing a picket line puts food on the table "for the good of the family" but sabotages the long term goals of the pilot group/industry. I am not saying you are a guy who would cross a picket line but taken as a whole.... selfish, short term thinking has been undermining this industry for too long.

Somebody needs to say enough is enough and start building a long term strategy to lift instead of eat today and forget about tomorrow. Our union refuses to do so.
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer View Post
Bologna! It most certainly does help. People need to understand what went very wrong with this TA. It is short sited and does long term damage over the alternative.

I want to point out short term vs long term thinking. Crossing a picket line puts food on the table "for the good of the family" but sabotages the long term goals of the pilot group/industry. I am not saying you are a guy who would cross a picket line but taken as a whole.... selfish, short term thinking has been undermining this industry for too long.

Somebody needs to say enough is enough and start building a long term strategy to lift instead of eat today and forget about tomorrow. Our union refuses to do so.
Your argument is one based on emotion. I do not believe that you are calling me a scab as I am not calling you one. However, you need to take what I said in totality. Make a decision that is best for you, your family, and your career. Crossing a picket line during a strike would not be best for 2 of the 3 listed therefore would not be a good decision.

Your writing is your opinion and that of 5 reps. I am encouraging all to gather as much FACT (read: non emotional) based information as possible from all sides. Yes and No.

Yes, changes need to be made - say it through your vote then stand easy. These strong selling post muddy the waters. Do not forget, in the end, you and I have the same goal of a strong contract for the Delta pilots.

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Originally Posted by sevenfiveseven View Post
Your argument is one based on emotion. I do not believe that you are calling me a scab as I am not calling you one. However, you need to take what I said in totality. Make a decision that is best for you, your family, and your career. Crossing a picket line during a strike would not be best for 2 of the 3 listed therefore would not be a good decision.

Your writing is your opinion and that of 5 reps. I am encouraging all to gather as much FACT (read: non emotional) based information as possible from all sides. Yes and No.

Yes, changes need to be made - say it through your vote then stand easy. These strong selling post muddy the waters. Do not forget, in the end, you and I have the same goal.
Thanks for not taking offense to my example. I was hoping you wouldn't think I was calling you a scab because I wasn't. We will have to agree to disagree on the other points.

Most of what is presented above is fact based when you remove what the TA spinmeisters are saying. DALPA did not follow their own mandates and made mockery of the whole process from surveys to the current hard sell.

Thank goodness there a still a few (the only ones I would ever vote for) who told the truth even at the risk of being torn down (and ridiculed...it has been happening) by the TA DALPA zealots.
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Thanks for not taking offense to my example. I was hoping you wouldn't think I was calling you a scab because I wasn't. We will have to agree to disagree on the other points.

Most of what is presented above is fact based when you remove what the TA spinmeisters are saying. DALPA did not follow their own mandates and made mockery of the whole process from surveys to the current hard sell.

Thank goodness there a still a few (the only ones I would ever vote for) who told the truth even at the risk of being torn down but pro TA DALPA zealots.
Very well Sir
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Jack,

There is some incorrect info in there. This should not be about DPA at all.
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Jack,

There is some incorrect info in there. This should not be about DPA at all.
Can we agree most is accurate and certainly enough of DALPA's (and this pilot groups) mission statement got thrown in the garbage to severally reduce DALPA's credibility going forward? Please tell me what is not accurate?

What part of this I posted is about DPA? This is about a NO vote.
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Jack,

There is some incorrect info in there. This should not be about DPA at all.
Its not and shouldnt be. but they compiled a list so its being thrown out for consumption, review and conversation.
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
Jack,

There is some incorrect info in there. This should not be about DPA at all.
Agreed. ALPA has warts like any organization, but this (the document, not Jack) is a clear power play by the DPA.

If they were really about what's good for Delta pilots they would stand down until the vote is over. This is just a distraction and a smear campaign by the DPA.

Let the TA stand on it's own merit. If it sucks, we vote it down, period.
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