Originally Posted by DAL73n (Post 1203494)

Actually, it's very simple. We are currently over staffed so between the work rule concessions (ALV + 15, 30 day months during peak flying for reserves, + 2 hour ALV increase (which means an LCW during peak flying of 77 - 91 hours during the summer and 67-81 during the low months and 7 short calls). So the additional 88 717s will be absorbed by 21 DC-9 retirements and the additional 67 717s (normally about 670 pilots) will be adsorbed by the current over staffing of Wide Bodies, work rule improvements and therefore we will see displacements (another pay cut that no one is talking about) to fill the new 717s that are being touted as growth A/C.

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1203500)

Because DAL has no way to reduce the contracts with the 50 seat jet providers without offering a deal to allow those companies an alternate way of staying in business.

If you owned/ran a DCI would you allow DAL to shrink/eliminate your company even though they had a contract but felt like abrogating it 5-8 years early?

All this does is placate the DCI operators in order to get them to become smaller but remain slightly profitable so they will agree to modify the terms of their agreements.

By the time the end of 2015 hits there will still be 553 jets under contract for DAL. This agreement will make the DCI fleet number 103 LESS at the 2015 point versus if we do NOTHING. I'll take 450 instead of 553(with the ability to increase that number) any day of the week.

(BTW, DCI won't shrink to 450 by parking the 50 seat jets until sometime in late 2018/early 2019.)

This TA restricts DCI flying, what says DALPA won't seek to restrict that flying AGAIN (in less than 3 years with this TA)?

Originally Posted by groundstop (Post 1203549)

Pinnacle has 142 CRJ 50-seaters. DAL provided the DIP financing and is basically pulling the strings there. There is your 50 seater pull down, with or without the TA. The spin in incredible. I hope the pilot group can see thru the smoke and mirrors.

Helping the company through bankruptcy with MASSIVE paycuts, then helping with one of the smoothest mergers in airline history wasn't enough. Lets help them with their 50 seater problem now. And lets do it for pay rate increases that are EMBARRASSING.

Originally Posted by groundstop (Post 1203549)

Pinnacle has 142 CRJ 50-seaters. DAL provided the DIP financing and is basically pulling the strings there. There is your 50 seater pull down, with or without the TA. The spin in incredible. I hope the pilot group can see thru the smoke and mirrors.

Helping the company through bankruptcy with MASSIVE paycuts, then helping with one of the smoothest mergers in airline history wasn't enough. Lets help them with their 50 seater problem now. And lets do it for pay rate increases that are EMBARRASSING.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1203458)

In the analysis done for the MEC, additional revenue was added back into the equation and all the DCI margins were stripped out. We still couldn't make it work.

Capisce?

Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1203565)

I guess my first question is who did the analysis? If it was using numbers from the company(s) I say they are easily rigged. If they were numbers from ALPA, where did they get them? ALPA doesn't run an airline therefore has absolutely no idea the cost involved. All the numbers ALPA is "provided" come from said airline! All these numbers are or can be manipulated by anyone that has their hands on them....just look at FTB and his numbers :D

Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1203565)

I guess my first question is who did the analysis? If it was using numbers from the company(s) I say they are easily rigged. If they were numbers from ALPA, where did they get them? ALPA doesn't run an airline therefore has absolutely no idea the cost involved. All the numbers ALPA is "provided" come from said airline! All these numbers are or can be manipulated by anyone that has their hands on them....just look at FTB and his numbers :D
Kind of like a computer or airplane FMS for that matter:
Put bad data in get bad data out.

Originally Posted by groundstop (Post 1203549)

Pinnacle has 142 CRJ 50-seaters. DAL provided the DIP financing and is basically pulling the strings there. There is your 50 seater pull down, with or without the TA. The spin in incredible. I hope the pilot group can see thru the smoke and mirrors.

Helping the company through bankruptcy with MASSIVE paycuts, then helping with one of the smoothest mergers in airline history wasn't enough. Lets help them with their 50 seater problem now. And lets do it for pay rate increases that are EMBARRASSING.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1203558)

I'm not following you. Are you implying that Delta can simply dump those 142 CRJ200’s because Pinnacle filed BK? Delta owns the airplanes. They can't just dump those planes because the operator goes bankrupt.