You're a 4
#1
You're a 4
Talking in the crashpad last night and one of the ER Captains (97 or so hire) looks at me and says you're 4. After the deer in the headlights look, he went on to say "If the 4 in the 4/8.5/3/3 were a 10 or even an 8.5, you'd be for the contract"
After a little bit of reflection, I realized he may have a point. Now I know all about wishing won't make it so, but it got me thinking.
If they magically waived a wand and changed the DOS raise (without more concessions) would your vote change? Discuss amongst yourselves.
After a little bit of reflection, I realized he may have a point. Now I know all about wishing won't make it so, but it got me thinking.
If they magically waived a wand and changed the DOS raise (without more concessions) would your vote change? Discuss amongst yourselves.
#2
For me, still a no. Big RJs would still stick in my craw. 10% on the front would probably be enough for quite a few, though.
#3
Consider the 4% as a signing bonus that keeps on giving (compounds the rates going forward)... This is half of a year prior to the amendable date.
#4
Look at our debt.
Look at the paydown schedule
Look at when the projected $10 billion line will occur, and how much in interest payments will be saved by the company
Look at when this contract will become amendable.
Connect dots.
The only fly in THIS ointment is the question of who is gonna jump the bar we will (hopefully) set with this TA.
#6
Yup. For the most part, I am looking at this as an extension. And here's why it is a good thing even given the rates (which are actually pretty good given the state of the industry/economy) And I will just give you the bullet points and let you connect the dots yourselves.
Look at our debt.
Look at the paydown schedule
Look at when the projected $10 billion line will occur, and how much in interest payments will be saved by the company
Look at when this contract will become amendable.
Connect dots.
The only fly in THIS ointment is the question of who is gonna jump the bar we will (hopefully) set with this TA.
Look at our debt.
Look at the paydown schedule
Look at when the projected $10 billion line will occur, and how much in interest payments will be saved by the company
Look at when this contract will become amendable.
Connect dots.
The only fly in THIS ointment is the question of who is gonna jump the bar we will (hopefully) set with this TA.
#7
I also think this is mainly an extension. Just wish we would have left everything else alone and not given up jobs with the increased reserve rules. There are some positives, but overall think the tone was concessionary with the same raises that the rest of the employee group got didn't recognize the sacrifices the pilot group made in BK.
But...
Our timing will be much much better in 2.5 years. with this extension for the reasons I have stated above, and HOPEFULLY, UniCal will do SOMETHING... and the AMR trainwreck will be solved. (however that goes down) We do not operate in a vacuum, and we are not alone.... yet.
Fire away
#8
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4% before the amendable date? Sure.
Don't know why they did not combine it and the 8 for a more headline friendly 12.5%
Don't know why they did not combine it and the 8 for a more headline friendly 12.5%
#10
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Joined APC: Apr 2009
Posts: 710
I know I am gonna regret this so cue the "we'll get 'em next time crowd".
But...
Our timing will be much much better in 2.5 years. with this extension for the reasons I have stated above, and HOPEFULLY, UniCal will do SOMETHING... and the AMR trainwreck will be solved. (however that goes down) We do not operate in a vacuum, and we are not alone.... yet.
Fire away
But...
Our timing will be much much better in 2.5 years. with this extension for the reasons I have stated above, and HOPEFULLY, UniCal will do SOMETHING... and the AMR trainwreck will be solved. (however that goes down) We do not operate in a vacuum, and we are not alone.... yet.
Fire away
Lastly, a certain type of economic event rears its head about every 7 years, I wouldn't bank on favorable conditions in three years. I am connecting the dots, just differently than you. As far as the TA as a whole, too many caveats for management, they will exploit them.