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Old 10-30-2006, 06:24 PM
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foreward thinking????????????? the gravy days are over kids. the days of flying a 747 for 8 days a month from age 55 on are gone. we are going to be flyin into LGA and MDW a few times a month for the rest of our days. I for one don't even want to be doing it at 55. and i will not even bring the redeyes into this.

my father just turned 65. retired eastern/usair. asked him if he missed it the other day. he said he could still do it but that no freaking way would he want to mess with LGA on a bad night at min's in the rain/cross wind. said his eyes are fine for most stuff but the at night glare when driving drives him nuts. there is just no way to test for this.
its called retirement gang. we are only here once and i don't care what your job is, work is still a four letter word! get out and enjoy life while you can.

told the wife the other day i was planin of being done with this by 55. saving 20% a year and all that. she comes back with what the hell u gonna do to pay the health bennies!!!!!!!! lol women shheshhhh. i told her that what she was here for..she did not take that to be funny at all lol
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Old 10-30-2006, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by AA767AV8TOR View Post
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The time has never been better – with over 2800 hundred pilots still on active furlough at AA – who are you kidding?

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What makes you think that 2800 junior pilots on furlough justifies the forced retirement 2800 senior pilots? Are you are saying that it is OK to force a senior experienced pilot into poverty just so a junior pilot can move up the seniority list a bit faster. Can you really be so brazen? Where do you draw your values from?

Do you not understand that our Constitution protects those in the minority from the mal intensions of the majority? When the State deprives a person of their liberty to work in a profession that they are qualified, this violates that person’s equal protection guarantied by our Constitution under the Fourteenth Amendment. This is why the “Age 60 Rule” must not stand.
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Old 10-30-2006, 07:10 PM
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I just wish the abolish it side would get the story straight. And before you bash me, I don't really care if they abolish it or not. I just don't want to be made to work past 60 when that time comes. But in one post you say it is age discrimination, plain and simple. Then in the next post you say it's financial, and for a number of reasons you have to work past 60. Which way is it. You would garner a lot more support and respect if you came out and just said what it is you're trying to change. The law or your financial position. It's selfish, no matter what way you look at it. To say that a physically qualified pilot can't continue to do the thing he loves is selfish. To say you have made some bad financial decisions, like remaining in the right seat for your entire career, then say you need more money sounds disingenuous, and selfish.
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Old 10-30-2006, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by fecav8r View Post
I just wish the abolish it side would get the story straight. And before you bash me, I don't really care if they abolish it or not. I just don't want to be made to work past 60 when that time comes. But in one post you say it is age discrimination, plain and simple. Then in the next post you say it's financial, and for a number of reasons you have to work past 60. Which way is it. You would garner a lot more support and respect if you came out and just said what it is you're trying to change. The law or your financial position. It's selfish, no matter what way you look at it. To say that a physically qualified pilot can't continue to do the thing he loves is selfish. To say you have made some bad financial decisions, like remaining in the right seat for your entire career, then say you need more money sounds disingenuous, and selfish.
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Old 10-30-2006, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by fecav8r View Post
I just don't want to be made to work past 60 when that time comes.


No one has ever implied or even said that everyone or anyone must work past age 60.

Every one must have a choice as to when then they retire, be it for financial need or the pure love of their profession.

Do not deny that choice for anyone now or for your own future plans.
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Old 10-30-2006, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by OV1D View Post
No one has ever implied or even said that everyone or anyone must work past age 60.

Every one must have a choice as to when then they retire, be it for financial need or the pure love of their profession.

Do not deny that choice for anyone now or for your own future plans.
So now you're guaranteeing that any new legislation will have a clause that will not change the mandatory age to 65. So I can still retire at 60 without any penalties and I will still have a B fund that is tax deferred? That's what you're telling the rest of us.
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Old 10-31-2006, 12:31 AM
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[QUOTE=OV1D;74972]What makes you think that 2800 junior pilots on furlough justifies the forced retirement 2800 senior pilots? Are you are saying that it is OK to force a senior experienced pilot into poverty just so a junior pilot can move up the seniority list a bit faster. Can you really be so brazen? Where do you draw your values from?

2800 Senior Pilots into poverty. I dont know what you make but looking at the payscales here poverty is far from it. Sorry man, might have to sell the lake house. Seriously give me a break, but i am sure there are some crack heads on the street that would make more sense than your comments, senior pilots in poverty, s#ck it easy my friend/
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Old 10-31-2006, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by OV1D View Post
No one has ever implied or even said that everyone or anyone must work past age 60.

Every one must have a choice as to when then they retire, be it for financial need or the pure love of their profession.

Do not deny that choice for anyone now or for your own future plans.
I love to be able to do everything I did when I was younger. Cant do it anymore, who do I write a letter to? I want my youth back..guess I need to talk to a congressman.
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Old 10-31-2006, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by OV1D View Post
What makes you think that 2800 junior pilots on furlough justifies the forced retirement 2800 senior pilots? Are you are saying that it is OK to force a senior experienced pilot into poverty just so a junior pilot can move up the seniority list a bit faster. Can you really be so brazen? Where do you draw your values from?
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I for one am not trying to change the status quo after forty years. This is a federal law that all Part 121 pilots since 1958 have had to plan for. Should I have to pay economically for your poor planning or bad luck?

If a senior pilot is in poverty after being on the historically high wages the last 30 years, that is only due to his/her poor planning, lack of judgment, and financial discipline.

Those junior furloughees that you want to keep out on the street another five years have never had the opportunity to earn a high wages in this profession. Their careers should not be trashed because of the greed of the most senior pilots.

Why should we subject the flying public to the increased risk of an older pilot just to satisfy your own selfish greed? And, don’t give me this BS that an older pilot is not an increased risk. Even ICAO agrees it’s a risk and that’s the reason they are only allowing one pilot over 60 in the cockpit.

You’re living in the “me” generation. It’s easy to see where you get your values from.

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Old 10-31-2006, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by AA767AV8TOR View Post
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... pilots since 1958 have had to plan for. Should I have to pay economically for your poor planning or bad luck?

... poor planning, lack of judgment, and financial discipline.

... greed of the most senior pilots.

...your own selfish greed?

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Jeeze - methinks you need to find a new groove on your LP. Can't you ever think of anything intelligent or original to say??? You're starting to sound like a broken record. Maybe the issue here is that the rules have changed - you ever think of that??? Even the dorky guy in the Dodge Ram advertisement had enough brains to understand that much. What happened to you???

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