tsquare

They could.. but they can't because those airplanes are currently in our scope of flying. The 76s are not and therefore are gone.. never to come back. Sorry, just a fact. It will cost the group too much to get them back on the property. I hate them too, but it's time to move on. You want to fight for nothing, and it will cost more in the long run. If the company wants the 90s? They can go spit. THAT would be worth fighting for. Other than that.. meh.

80ktsClamp

This is a fanatsic example of the mentality that allows the "hard cap" to move over time.

Columbia

Yup-some folks simply aren't smart enough to realize that they are getting played. Fortunately my sources indicate that the TA should be voted down with 65% voting no thanks. Expect Lumbergs posts to ramp up.

forgot to bid

Man, that aint nothing. my high school had a daycare for the students kids. truth is most of the girls were pregnant by 19-22 year olds that hover around high schools because it was a "target rich environment."

but there was this one dude, 4 kids by graduation. I'd laugh, if it didn't involve innocent kids.

Sorry for the side track.

80ktsClamp

FTB= big guy. full of sperm.




name that movie!

forgot to bid

Isn't there an 80 II due in a few months?

Kind of like Beer, he had the best line. "We started trying, got pregnant right away... that kind of sucked, wanted to keep trying."

Bill Lumberg

No, I don't support raising the limits JUST TO MAKE MORE PROFITS. It's a good byproduct, if there is a good deal at the same time for SCOPE overall. This is a negotiation, not a demand session. We can demand for another 3 years if we want to, and nothing will change, at all. You may think that is great because there won't be 325 larger RJs, but instead there would be 255 of the largest RJs (if we got 717s or something else down the road), and still 300+ 50 seaters that aren't great for us, or our PROFITS.


I know DCI pilots probably would fly the MD88s for less. ALPA said NO to the company when they wanted up to 82 seats for DCI, until the last day of negotiating according to them at the roadshow. Was that true? I wasn't at the negotiating table, but I wouldn't put it past them to ask. They were going to ask for a lot, and they got some of what they wanted. But, we got a lot more in my opinion, and a pretty good deal overall. Not perfect, but early, short in duration, better scope with ratios and caps, and almost 20% for 3 years which is good.

Could the DPA do better? I don't think so. Do I want ALPA to continually feel challenged by another possible entity so they continue to make sure they try to get the best deal possible for us always? YES. I think this TA is acceptable, primarily because of our competition and their positions, and we don't really have an idea of exactly what is next for our company. If we did, that might be another story.

Bill Lumberg

Please don't get hostile. I am just expressing my views. I was a NO that turned into a yes. Please don't get too upset. Your sources? Okay....

Justdoinmyjob

"10 Things I hate about you."

ColdWhiskey

Hey Lumberg!!

1.) Go ahead and give away the 70/76s this time.
2.) Give away the 82/90s next time (for the same reason you are giving away the 70/76s this time).
3.) Give away the 737s, A320s and the MD-80s/90s next time.
4.) Spend your last years in the industry 'grabbing gear' at GoJet's when you are furloughed and that is where the jobs are at (ask the many furloughed United pilots currently grabbing gear at GoJets while the 25 year old newhires upgrade in Bryan Bedford's newest RJ).

But hey, that makes the MOST sense, becasue that will give Delta the MOST profits, and that is best for EVERYONE!!