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06-13-2012, 02:27 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Ah, so you're saying management would be vindictive and just take their toys from the sandbox if we turn this down?
Management does not want to keep the 50's, and trading 70's for 76's is a bad deal for them as well. We hold the key to their long term plan, they will include us because they have to.
I like most others planning on voting no are not focused on one single thing, and you know better than that. We are big picture people. This contract is lacking in numerous areas that need to be shored up.
Management does not want to keep the 50's, and trading 70's for 76's is a bad deal for them as well. We hold the key to their long term plan, they will include us because they have to.
I like most others planning on voting no are not focused on one single thing, and you know better than that. We are big picture people. This contract is lacking in numerous areas that need to be shored up.
No, I am not saying that at all. I am saying that management will make a business decision that will probably not include as much of our participation as we now have.. I am sure that management DOES need some of the things they got in this TA.. it is just that they are not going to base the foundation of what they do on whether the pilots get on board or not. That would be stupid, and MR Anderson is anything but stupid.
You are basing your no vote on that premise. I am basing my yes vote on fact that I know, and that is that these rates are far closer to where I wanted them to be than where a no vote will get me... I get a nice raise in less than a month, and another one 6 months later. You are gonna get an airplane that you can upgrade to next summer. I call that a win/win. Or.. we can roll the dice. Gambling is stupid, ask any casino owner.
06-13-2012, 03:29 PM
#12
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
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Originally Posted by tsquare
No, I am not saying that at all. I am saying that management will make a business decision that will probably not include as much of our participation as we now have.. I am sure that management DOES need some of the things they got in this TA.. it is just that they are not going to base the foundation of what they do on whether the pilots get on board or not. That would be stupid, and MR Anderson is anything but stupid.
You are basing your no vote on that premise. I am basing my yes vote on fact that I know, and that is that these rates are far closer to where I wanted them to be than where a no vote will get me... I get a nice raise in less than a month, and another one 6 months later. You are gonna get an airplane that you can upgrade to next summer. I call that a win/win. Or.. we can roll the dice. Gambling is stupid, ask any casino owner.
You are basing your no vote on that premise. I am basing my yes vote on fact that I know, and that is that these rates are far closer to where I wanted them to be than where a no vote will get me... I get a nice raise in less than a month, and another one 6 months later. You are gonna get an airplane that you can upgrade to next summer. I call that a win/win. Or.. we can roll the dice. Gambling is stupid, ask any casino owner.
What color glasses are you wearing to see this thing so positive?
06-13-2012, 03:35 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Oh, so you're saying that I'm going to be able to upgrade next summer on the 717 after we've only taken 10 of them? When I am sitting now at below 90% on a narrowbody in ATL?
What color glasses are you wearing to see this thing so positive?
What color glasses are you wearing to see this thing so positive?
06-13-2012, 03:39 PM
#14
Da Hudge
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Oh, so you're saying that I'm going to be able to upgrade next summer on the 717 after we've only taken 10 of them? When I am sitting now at below 90% on a narrowbody in ATL?
What color glasses are you wearing to see this thing so positive?
What color glasses are you wearing to see this thing so positive?
So, actual results don't spin the future of that very positive...
06-13-2012, 07:56 PM
#15
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Oh, so you're saying that I'm going to be able to upgrade next summer on the 717 after we've only taken 10 of them? When I am sitting now at below 90% on a narrowbody in ATL?
What color glasses are you wearing to see this thing so positive?
What color glasses are you wearing to see this thing so positive?
06-13-2012, 08:05 PM
#16
Da Hudge
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Oh well then by all means rolling the dice makes much more sense for you. No furlough protection... no pump and dump protection... roll away...
06-13-2012, 08:09 PM
#17
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
You mean the same furlough protection that I've had since the JCBA in 2008 that this TA continues?
I'm done discussing this with you.
Good luck.
06-13-2012, 08:13 PM
#18
Da Hudge
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Originally Posted by tsquare
OK.. if that is what you believe. Vote no. I couldn't care less. You are gonna believe what you want to believe anyway, and no amount of truth or fact is gonna sway you. Be sure you have a backup plan if this fails...
I'm done discussing this with you.
Good luck.
I'm done discussing this with you.
Good luck.
As far as our interpretations of the TA and whether or not it's worth sending it back through the grinder, then yes.. that is a matter of our interpretation. What you consider truth, I do not and vice versa.
As far as your "be sure you have a backup plan" comment, I feel the same way with the long term consequences if this TA does pass.
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