View Poll Results: My plan for turning this down is:
1. I know a better deal will be offered w/out Sec 6. I can point to a non-strike precedent.
6
11.76%
2. I suspect a better deal is coming soon, based on a hunch the company is bluffing.
9
17.65%
3. I hope there is a better deal coming, and I have no idea of how it's going to happen.
3
5.88%
4. I am prepared to sit tight for Section 6; I know this agreement is non-prejudicial.
33
64.71%
Voters: 51. You may not vote on this poll
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06-11-2012, 04:41 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
Well, that's true, but the 75's stick out more prominently and its body is more slender...
06-11-2012, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
Finis, I think this TA will pass, despite my own personal no vote. All the comments I'm hearing from the yes side essentially boil down to, "we'd better accept what the company offers or else". Well, if that is the case, then the company was too generous, they could have saved more money with a 3-3-3 or 1-1-1.
Oh, and I think Carl is at the top of the food chain...his ride is bigger!
Oh, and I think Carl is at the top of the food chain...his ride is bigger!
Oh, and according to the graffiti in the NRT bar men's room.....it's only Carl's ride that's bigger
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06-11-2012, 05:07 PM
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Since we're talking about sexy, sleek machines...
Is it warm in here?
Is it warm in here?
06-11-2012, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
Since we're talking about sexy, sleek machines...
Is it warm in here?
Is it warm in here?
06-11-2012, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg52
52's are uglier, fatter, and slower.................. but drops a bigger load!
06-11-2012, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DelDah Capt
crewdawg,
You've said that you've considered the long term possibilities and you're willing to live with those consequences in pursuit of something better. I can respect that. One of the reasons that I'm leaning towards a Yes is that while I was initially let down by this TA being below my expectations, I look at the 2015 rate and think that I'm going to be really p*ssed in two and a half years if we're still in negotiations and I'm working under the old rates and I could've had the new ones. But I'm still undecided as I try to figure what plan B for both sides would really look like.
You've said that you've considered the long term possibilities and you're willing to live with those consequences in pursuit of something better. I can respect that. One of the reasons that I'm leaning towards a Yes is that while I was initially let down by this TA being below my expectations, I look at the 2015 rate and think that I'm going to be really p*ssed in two and a half years if we're still in negotiations and I'm working under the old rates and I could've had the new ones. But I'm still undecided as I try to figure what plan B for both sides would really look like.
So based on that, would they really want to wait 2+ years when they can just tweak a few sections and have it voted in a second time a few months later? No way.
06-11-2012, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by contrails
Clearly the company desperately wants it out of the way hence the expedited timeline so far.
So based on that, would they really want to wait 2+ years when they can just tweak a few sections and have it voted in a second time a few months later? No way.
So based on that, would they really want to wait 2+ years when they can just tweak a few sections and have it voted in a second time a few months later? No way.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What he says! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
06-11-2012, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
Finis, I think this TA will pass, despite my own personal no vote. All the comments I'm hearing from the yes side essentially boil down to, "we'd better accept what the company offers or else". Well, if that is the case, then the company was too generous, they could have saved more money with a 3-3-3 or 1-1-1.
I had 777A LCA in my jumpseat a couple of days ago talking about a meeting with RA. The pilot contract wasn't even an afterthought in RA's mind in the meeting, with all of the other grand plans he has on deck now & in the future. Honestly if RA didn't give a hoot about this labor force then he wouldn't have expended so much effort in this "7-month-early-50-seat-trade-for-76-seats-coupled-with-a-717-incentive-and-promise-of-hiring.". I expect the last thing we'll hear about prior to the vote closing out is a new widebody order 'pending approval of the new pilot TA'.
I am a junior dude and will feel the impact either way, as I do in every single AE.
Oh, and I think Carl is at the top of the food chain...his ride is bigger!
I had 777A LCA in my jumpseat a couple of days ago talking about a meeting with RA. The pilot contract wasn't even an afterthought in RA's mind in the meeting, with all of the other grand plans he has on deck now & in the future. Honestly if RA didn't give a hoot about this labor force then he wouldn't have expended so much effort in this "7-month-early-50-seat-trade-for-76-seats-coupled-with-a-717-incentive-and-promise-of-hiring.". I expect the last thing we'll hear about prior to the vote closing out is a new widebody order 'pending approval of the new pilot TA'.
I am a junior dude and will feel the impact either way, as I do in every single AE.
Oh, and I think Carl is at the top of the food chain...his ride is bigger!
You don't have to worry about RA's grand plans because you will be junior, forever.......nothing he may want to do will include you, ever....
06-11-2012, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by contrails
Clearly the company desperately wants it out of the way hence the expedited timeline so far.
So based on that, would they really want to wait 2+ years when they can just tweak a few sections and have it voted in a second time a few months later? No way.
So based on that, would they really want to wait 2+ years when they can just tweak a few sections and have it voted in a second time a few months later? No way.
06-11-2012, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by contrails
Clearly the company desperately wants it out of the way hence the expedited timeline so far.
So based on that, would they really want to wait 2+ years when they can just tweak a few sections and have it voted in a second time a few months later? No way.
So based on that, would they really want to wait 2+ years when they can just tweak a few sections and have it voted in a second time a few months later? No way.
What are you willing to give up in the process of tweaking?
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