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Adolphus Coors 06-20-2012 05:29 AM

Could plan B be new code share with Skywest??
 
Could managements back up plan be a new code share with a self branded Skywest using C series jets?

Skywest gets to return their 50 seaters early and turns into our new 100 seat lift partner. Skywest has obtained financing and there is a lot of talk about a huge order from them. I'm not sure on the details of the Republic loop hole but does anyone know if this is possible?

untied 06-20-2012 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by Adolphus Coors (Post 1215432)
Could managements back up plan be a new code share with a self branded Skywest using C series jets?

Skywest gets to return their 50 seaters early and turns into our new 100 seat lift partner. Skywest has obtained financing and there is a lot of talk about a huge order from them. I'm not sure on the details of the Republic loop hole but does anyone know if this is possible?

Those jets will come eventually.

The next time the DAL pilots want a 3% raise.....

Keep trying to justify giving up DC-9 sized airframes if it makes you feel better, but you're looking pretty scared and weak.

slowplay 06-20-2012 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by Adolphus Coors (Post 1215432)
Could managements back up plan be a new code share with a self branded Skywest using C series jets?

Skywest gets to return their 50 seaters early and turns into our new 100 seat lift partner. Skywest has obtained financing and there is a lot of talk about a huge order from them. I'm not sure on the details of the Republic loop hole but does anyone know if this is possible?

No, it is not possible. Read Section 1 of the PWA on how Delta can use its code.

amcnd 06-20-2012 05:41 AM


Originally Posted by Adolphus Coors (Post 1215432)
Could managements back up plan be a new code share with a self branded Skywest using C series jets?

Skywest gets to return their 50 seaters early and turns into our new 100 seat lift partner. Skywest has obtained financing and there is a lot of talk about a huge order from them. I'm not sure on the details of the Republic loop hole but does anyone know if this is possible?

SkyWest flys for more then Delta... Big plane order could mean Alaska/USair/UA...or even AA... "big" is in refering to numbers not size...

vprMatrix 06-20-2012 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1215438)
No, it is not possible. Read Section 1 of the PWA on how Delta can use its code.

Slow,

Does the new holding company language apply to skywest if they are flying for Alaska which has an exception clause in the TA?

vpr

georgetg 06-20-2012 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1215438)
No, it is not possible. Read Section 1 of the PWA on how Delta can use its code.

That is correct. Can't put Delta code on a non DCI, Non HA or AS jet domestically.

SkyWest (or any other US airline for they matter) could codeshare with KLM, AF or Alitalia. (I think this is what Bedford erroneously calls "Skyteam code")

Cheers
George

johnso29 06-20-2012 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1215506)
That is correct. Can't put Delta code on a non DCI, Non HA or AS jet domestically.

SkyWest (or any other US airline for they matter) could codeshare with KLM, AF or Alitalia. (I think this is what Bedford erroneously calls "Skyteam code")

Cheers
George

I stand corrected. EVERYONE read and re-read post #9!!!!!!

johnso29 06-20-2012 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by vprMatrix (Post 1215450)
Slow,

Does the new holding company language apply to skywest if they are flying for Alaska which has an exception clause in the TA?

vpr

Yes it applies. If Alaska scope allowed it, Skywest can fly C-Series for Alaska, but they can not carry Delta pax. There can NOT be a DL flight number on the flight.

slowplay 06-20-2012 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1215506)
SkyWest (or any other US airline for they matter) could codeshare with KLM, AF or Alitalia. (I think this is what Bedford erroneously calls "Skyteam code")

Cheers
George

No, they can't.

Delta is the exclusive provider for this side of the Atlantic JV. AF/KLM and AZ cannot codeshare as you describe.

SkyWest could carry the code of non-JV SkyTeam airlines, but it has to be that individual airline's code. They can't use Delta code in that arrangment, and as such they would be a competitor to Delta in that market.

Under our current scope SkyWest can operate other than permitted aircraft for other air carriers. Under the TA SkyWest's ability to operate larger aircraft for competitors and maintain their DCI relationship is further restricted.

Adolphus Coors 06-20-2012 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1215515)
No, they can't.

Delta is the exclusive provider for this side of the Atlantic JV. AF/KLM and AZ cannot codeshare as you describe.

SkyWest could carry the code of non-JV SkyTeam airlines, but it has to be that individual airline's code. They can't use Delta code in that arrangment, and as such they would be a competitor to Delta in that market.

Under our current scope SkyWest can operate other than permitted aircraft for other air carriers. Under the TA SkyWest's ability to operate larger aircraft for competitors and maintain their DCI relationship is further restricted.

Thanks for the quick answer.


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