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Old 06-25-2012, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by jumppilot View Post
You're right. None of us know your financial or education status. For all we know you could be a lawyer who flies part time for the benefits. Good for you! Seriously! Odds are that's not the case.

Again, some FAs are amazing in what they've accomplished.

Unfortunately, in my experience, 90% are cut from one or more of the following cloth:

1) Straight out of the hood
2) Medicated with illegally obtained pills from India
3) Life drop outs who, at 26, realized they needed a job. Any job.
4) Have a rolling-FMLA for depression (verified, in that I know of two specifically who have this)
5) Are so poor that if someone offered them $20,000 to bring contraband through security they probably would. Heck, I used to date an FA that sold her "extended buddy" travel benefit for money!

Not to mention, it is so easy to become a FA that if a terrorist organization sponsored a young, naive "recently converted to extreme Islam" kid for $100,000 to be their drug/weapons mule, I'm sure it could be arranged.

So, for those reasons and more, I don't support KCM for FAs

And once again, NO pilots fit that description??
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Old 06-25-2012, 11:44 AM
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Agree with all of this.

Additionally...

The Captain should know the location of and the quantity of all weapons aboard his aircraft. Take away screening of FA's, that becomes an unknown.

Furthermore, think 18 to 22 year old FA. 10 year background check goes til they were 12 years old. What the hell is that going to tell you? Nothing. As little $ as they make you think they can't be bought off to bring something through?

I really have nothing against FA's. Are there more security risks that I could identify (but wont publicly) that are more prominent? Absolutely! Should those be handled immediately? Absolutely. The existence of these loopholes doesn't mean we should add another.
Pretty funny about how little money we make and having a price. I made more as a FA at my regional than many of my FOs made. PLUS, I wasn't the one with $100,000 in student loans. Oh well, another theory out the window! ALSO, a background check to age 12 ensures you know EVERYTHING about someone as opposed to a 30 or 40 year old pilot who possibly did some stuff back in his early days that is now off the record. Next!?

(BTW I am totally against 18year old FAs for other reasons...)
This is exactly why he should be granted KCM and you not. If you were paid off to take an illegal item through to the secure area, jail aside, your consequences are the loss of that job. If the said FO were in the same position, he/she looks back and sees the loss/waste of a college education, 100,000$ investment, years of flight instructing. The fact that he is there making so little to begin with is testament that he is committed to the career and most likely wouldn't risk ending it all over abuse of KCM. Are you that short-sighted that you dont understand this or is this just about the drama and argument now?
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Old 06-25-2012, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by LNL76 View Post
And once again, NO pilots fit that description??
Absolutely, some do. In fact if you read the news you'll see it. Take for example that Colgan CA who was found in TX with the largest collection of child porn in state history.

But the simple fact remains that pilots, by very nature of their training and career progression, are vetted for a much longer time than FAs.

We start our training at the local airport or military, where it literally takes years to get even get the basic qualifications to be allowed to act as a crew member in any type of airline environment.

From the moment you step foot in a flight school we are being watched by our peers, instructors and bosses for any sign of something that isn't right. In fact, for military pilots you must be competitively selected before you even start flight training!

Once training starts, a natural part of the process, which again takes years, is weeding out. Anyone who is unstable or is there for ulterior motives is likely to be found during the extended vetting process. I've had quite a few students who never made it to the next step of the learning process because of their dysfunctional personalities.

Only once you have successfully passed the above steps, can you even apply and start the 2 month minimum airline specific training.

For FAs, anyone on their best behavior for 3 weeks is released to the line.

Night and Day.
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This is exactly why he should be granted KCM and you not. If you were paid off to take an illegal item through to the secure area, jail aside, your consequences are the loss of that job. If the said FO were in the same position, he/she looks back and sees the loss/waste of a college education, 100,000$ investment, years of flight instructing. The fact that he is there making so little to begin with is testament that he is committed to the career and most likely wouldn't risk ending it all over abuse of KCM. Are you that short-sighted that you dont understand this or is this just about the drama and argument now?

Are YOU so short-sighted that desperate people will do desperate things and not think of the consequences. Seriously?? First of all, I'm pretty sure some heavy-duty Federal prison time would be involved. Losing a job would be the least of one's problems. Secondly, A young guy with student loans up to his neck and maybe a kid or two and a divorce or two is more likely to do something ridiculous in my opinion. You could disagree all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you have a hard-on for FAs. Ah, give me an older dude any day of the week. One who is very secure in his masculinity and thinks with his brain.
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