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alfaromeo 06-27-2012 07:26 PM

AMR TA allows more large RJ's than Delta
 
Courtesy of Slowplay

At a current narrowbody fleet count of 497 AMR can operate the following RJ fleet in 2016:

35% up to 65 seaters (CRJ-700 in 2 class) = 174
40% up to 79 seaters (CRJ-900,EMB175,MRJ90) = 199

That's a total of 373 large RJ's allowed. They also get 10% 50 seat turboprops for total outsourcing at current fleet size of 423 aircraft.

Now what if the grow? If they grow the same size as Delta (723) they would be allowed 253 65 seaters and 289 79 seaters plus an additional 72 turboprops.

So which is better?

Up to 289 79 seaters or 223 76 seaters?
Up to 253 CRJ-700 or 102 CRJ-700/EMB-170?

Oh, did you happen to notice their Alaska code sharing is unrestricted now...

scambo1 06-27-2012 07:30 PM

Just curious, did APA hire ALPA's EF&A to do analysis for them?

Jack Bauer 06-27-2012 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1220218)
Courtesy of Slowplay

At a current narrowbody fleet count of 497 AMR can operate the following RJ fleet in 2016:

35% up to 65 seaters (CRJ-700 in 2 class) = 174
40% up to 79 seaters (CRJ-900,EMB175,MRJ90) = 199

That's a total of 373 large RJ's allowed. They also get 10% 50 seat turboprops for total outsourcing at current fleet size of 423 aircraft.

Now what if the grow? If they grow the same size as Delta (723) they would be allowed 253 65 seaters and 289 79 seaters plus an additional 72 turboprops.

So which is better?

Up to 289 79 seaters or 223 76 seaters?
Up to 253 CRJ-700 or 102 CRJ-700/EMB-170?

Oh, did you happen to notice their Alaska code sharing is unrestricted now...

Nice DALPA tactic. Compare to the least common denominator (who happens to be in Bankruptcy right now) and thump your chest as we allow more large RJ's and breath new life into regional flying. Lets not compare to SWA scope....nah. As some others have said of ALPA.....set low goals then fail to achieve them.

Boomer 06-27-2012 07:57 PM

Now if American could only get 8 more connection partners to help Eagle and CHQ carry the load...

lakehouse 06-27-2012 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1220247)
Now if American could only get 8 more connection partners to help Eagle and CHQ carry the load...

yep because so many spare pilots are banging down the door with their ATPs............I guess its a good thing we never struck.

shoelu 06-27-2012 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1220218)
Courtesy of Slowplay

At a current narrowbody fleet count of 497 AMR can operate the following RJ fleet in 2016:

35% up to 65 seaters (CRJ-700 in 2 class) = 174
40% up to 79 seaters (CRJ-900,EMB175,MRJ90) = 199

That's a total of 373 large RJ's allowed. They also get 10% 50 seat turboprops for total outsourcing at current fleet size of 423 aircraft.

Now what if the grow? If they grow the same size as Delta (723) they would be allowed 253 65 seaters and 289 79 seaters plus an additional 72 turboprops.

So which is better?

Up to 289 79 seaters or 223 76 seaters?
Up to 253 CRJ-700 or 102 CRJ-700/EMB-170?

Oh, did you happen to notice their Alaska code sharing is unrestricted now...

You seem almost giddy that they got a worse screw job if this goes through, what gives?

Bill Lumberg 06-27-2012 09:07 PM


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1220244)
Nice DALPA tactic. Compare to the least common denominator (who happens to be in Bankruptcy right now) and thump your chest as we allow more large RJ's and breath new life into regional flying. Lets not compare to SWA scope....nah. As some others have said of ALPA.....set low goals then fail to achieve them.

Jack,

Admit our TA is better than what they (AA) may have and then move on. UA/CAL is next or they won't get a raise unfortunately. That's how it works when you get feed from small cities. There are plenty of routes out there that can't sustain a mainline plane. On those routes, RJs are probably the right sized plane, and if the routes do well, a mainline plane may be put on it. SWA doesn't go to every small community out there, and actually recently announced closure of 17 Airtran routes. SWA doesn't use smaller community feed like DL does. Bad comparison. Btw, AA got this TA with the APA, not ALPA.

sinca3 06-28-2012 03:24 AM

I have to agree with Jack here.

DoubleTrouble 06-28-2012 03:39 AM


Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1220314)
I have to agree with Jack here.


Jack didn't say the APA deal is better than DALPA's. He said it was a typical ALPA response. I agree.

boog123 06-28-2012 05:13 AM

courtesy of "Slowplay".


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