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Old 08-27-2012, 02:53 PM
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Seems like a lot of the Majors have dropped the PIC requirement. Delta dropped theirs, USAir, Spirit, Virgin.

The age old advice of "Just go to a regional, get your PIC, and get out" seems like it's become outdated. Looks like we can advice new people to the industry to go a a regional that has good pay and benefits, just build their time in the right seat, then get out.
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Old 08-27-2012, 02:58 PM
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Delta never had a turbine PIC requirement. It doesn't change the fact that you are far more likely to get an interview with TPIC time.
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The reason the mins are so low for many places has to do with getting the chief pilot's son, interns, etc in the front door faster than some who have slogged it out at the regionals for a decade to get 1000 TPIC.

If you arent one of the above then you better get 1000 TPIC if you plan on getting hired at the beginning of a hiring wave. Zero PIC candidates will become furlough fodder when they are hired at the end of the wave.
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5,000 hours in the right seat at a regional must be worth something.....
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The reason the mins are so low for many places has to do with getting the chief pilot's son, interns, etc in the front door faster than some who have slogged it out at the regionals for a decade to get 1000 TPIC.

If you arent one of the above then you better get 1000 TPIC if you plan on getting hired at the beginning of a hiring wave. Zero PIC candidates will become furlough fodder when they are hired at the end of the wave.
I was hired in the beginning of the wave... even those that were interns and pilots kids/wives had over 1000 tpic. There was only one intercompany transfer that didn't have any tpic.
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The low time requirements are to help out our military guys too. They don't fly 90 hours a month so after their career its the best way to give them a shot.
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
even those that were interns and pilots kids/wives had over 1000 tpic. There was only one intercompany transfer that didn't have any tpic.
Just curios, but of those demographics that were hired summer summer 2010, how'd those numbers look?

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The low time requirements are to help out our military guys too. They don't fly 90 hours a month so after their career its the best way to give them a shot.
That's a given and never been in dispute. Hence the conversion factors, etc.
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The low time requirements are to help out our military guys too. They don't fly 90 hours a month so after their career its the best way to give them a shot.

But we can't give someone with 7000 hours in the right seat at Comair or Horizon a "shot" right?....Bull$hit.

If you couldn't get your PIC time before fulfilling your obligation in the military, tough. Go to a regional like everyone else and pay your dues. Someone flying for a brand should have a path to that brand before a military pilot, especially one without PIC time.
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Uhhhhh ohhhhh, that train is NEVER late.

Let the boring/old/stale/worn out mil vs. civ peeing contest based on ignorance (BOTH sides) ensue.
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But we can't give someone with 7000 hours in the right seat at Comair or Horizon a "shot" right?....Bull$hit.

If you couldn't get your PIC time before fulfilling your obligation in the military, tough. Go to a regional like everyone else and pay your dues. Someone flying for a brand should have a path to that brand before a military pilot, especially one without PIC time.
People with high time right seat are being given a chance much more now than in earlier times. Try improving your attitude and respect those who serve as well.
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