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Old 08-17-2012, 04:41 AM
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Would like to hear the details of how groups were integrated over the past 50 years. Also include sale routes such as Braniff to American, PanAm to United, Flying Tigers to FedEx. Discuss the current integrations. NWA/DL, UA/CO, US/AWA, SW/AT.
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Back to the regularly scheduled thread,

Panagra route sale to BN: nada, zippo integration.

BN route sale to EA: nada, zippo

EA route sale to AA: see above

South American route sales are unblemished by pilot integration back 50 years

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It's good that you want to learn about your own industry, congrats on taking the first step in actually learning some history.

The first step is to read Hard Landing by Thomas Petzinger Jr.
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As far as current integrations go, NWA/DL was the smoothest and fastest by far. I am guessing a big part of that is DL only had unionization for the pilot group and the DAL/NWA ALPA groups played nice to get things done.

US/HP is on the opposite end of the spectrum. I dont see any way for them to successfully integrate outside of a merger with a larger company (AA). Parker is making money hand over fist while the two groups are in deadlock operating under huge bankruptcy concessions from a decade ago.
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Originally Posted by AutoEverything View Post
It's good that you want to learn about your own industry, congrats on taking the first step in actually learning some history.

The first step is to read Hard Landing by Thomas Petzinger Jr.
Sounds like he wants information in a specific order for a class project!
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The reason NWA and Delta went so smoothly is because they both mostly viewed themselves as equals. That's the key to a successful integration.
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post
The reason NWA and Delta went so smoothly is because they both mostly viewed themselves as equals. That's the key to a successful integration.
It thought it was because the learned from the US/HP disaster and the company was willing to pony up some cash first for a joint contract, then do a SLI.
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The only thing learned in the u/hp integration is never to allow a seniority list to be done before a single agreement. Had the awa/u pilots had a single contract before the award this would have never happened.
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Everyone knows that since the beginning of airline mergers that date of hire has been the golden standard.
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Everyone knows that since the beginning of airline mergers that date of hire has been the golden standard.
trolololo!
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