Mainline airline pilot hiring to increase
08-25-2012, 10:13 AM
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The problem, from a job seeker's perspective is competition. For the better part of a decade RJ Captains have say waiting for the stagnant environment to lift so they can move on. They have 10,000+ hours in an RJ and will have identical resumes, blue suits, and red ties. (ie all are well qualified)
Meanwhile traditional mainline jobs have been outsourced to larger and larger Rjs over the same time period. For example, the 80-120 seat "mainline" metal that used to be entry level mainline equipment has been outsourced: Bac 1-11, DC9, F28, F100, BAE146... Etc
Finally, consolidation has resulted in WAY fewer mainline companies to apply with.
More competition for fewer jobs = continues stagnation even during a period of growth.
Meanwhile traditional mainline jobs have been outsourced to larger and larger Rjs over the same time period. For example, the 80-120 seat "mainline" metal that used to be entry level mainline equipment has been outsourced: Bac 1-11, DC9, F28, F100, BAE146... Etc
Finally, consolidation has resulted in WAY fewer mainline companies to apply with.
More competition for fewer jobs = continues stagnation even during a period of growth.
08-25-2012, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
The problem, from a job seeker's perspective is competition. For the better part of a decade RJ Captains have say waiting for the stagnant environment to lift so they can move on. They have 10,000+ hours in an RJ and will have identical resumes, blue suits, and red ties. (ie all are well qualified)
Meanwhile traditional mainline jobs have been outsourced to larger and larger Rjs over the same time period. For example, the 80-120 seat "mainline" metal that used to be entry level mainline equipment has been outsourced: Bac 1-11, DC9, F28, F100, BAE146... Etc
Finally, consolidation has resulted in WAY fewer mainline companies to apply with.
More competition for fewer jobs = continues stagnation even during a period of growth.
Meanwhile traditional mainline jobs have been outsourced to larger and larger Rjs over the same time period. For example, the 80-120 seat "mainline" metal that used to be entry level mainline equipment has been outsourced: Bac 1-11, DC9, F28, F100, BAE146... Etc
Finally, consolidation has resulted in WAY fewer mainline companies to apply with.
More competition for fewer jobs = continues stagnation even during a period of growth.
Also, I don't know of anything over 86 seats being outsourced.
08-26-2012, 05:23 PM
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None of you guys are talking about the continuing wave of overseas hiring, which will affect all pilots, including US pilots. Many US pilots do not understand how difficult the hiring situation is overseas, and how it will reach epic levels moving forward.
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08-26-2012, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
None of you guys are talking about the continuing wave of overseas hiring, which will affect all pilots, including US pilots. Many US pilots do not understand how difficult the hiring situation is overseas, and how it will reach epic levels moving forward.
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I really hope it puts some upward pressure on the salaries and QOL in the next 10 years.
08-27-2012, 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by XtremeF150
In my opinion the overseas companies will bleed like the regionals later this decade. Most of those expats will eventually come back as hiring begins to fire on all cylinders several years from now.
I really hope it puts some upward pressure on the salaries and QOL in the next 10 years.
I really hope it puts some upward pressure on the salaries and QOL in the next 10 years.
08-27-2012, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by GlobeTreker
As someone who has applications out at 10 or so different foreign airlines, I dispute your claim. Many places are looking for captains with 500 or more hours PIC in type or FO's with a type rating plus 500. I have applied in the middle east, Asia and all over the US and my phone doesn't ring. I wish they were as desperate overseas as they say but the truth is they are not. They will hire Ping ping and Ching chong with 250 hrs because they are locals then thumb their noses at an American with six thousand of hours flight time and years of airline experience.
08-27-2012, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot
How exactly is a bigger supply of pilots fighting for fewer jobs gonna help raise salaries?
The number of current medicals however are posted and have been falling the last decade. Doesn't mean those with certificates won't decide to come back to the business if things get better but it does hint at the fact that we have less CURRENTLY qualified pilots.
08-28-2012, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by XtremeF150
In my opinion the overseas companies will bleed like the regionals later this decade. Most of those expats will eventually come back as hiring begins to fire on all cylinders several years from now.
I really hope it puts some upward pressure on the salaries and QOL in the next 10 years.
I really hope it puts some upward pressure on the salaries and QOL in the next 10 years.
There will be net growth, but it won't be anything like the spastic Keynesian extrapolations. They are all massive bubbles too. If/when they pop they pop, and if/when we pop they pop.
The whole world isn't going to see hourly A380 service to every major city, which is pretty much what would have to happen to accomidate even a small fraction of the asinine order books in the aggregate.
08-28-2012, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Not to mention the hiring situation overseas, which is based off the pure fantasy flash in the pan hypernomics growth projections, coupled with Howard Hughes at Farnborough fantasy orders, won't even come remotely close to materializing.
There will be net growth, but it won't be anything like the spastic Keynesian extrapolations. They are all massive bubbles too. If/when they pop they pop, and if/when we pop they pop.
The whole world isn't going to see hourly A380 service to every major city, which is pretty much what would have to happen to accomidate even a small fraction of the asinine order books in the aggregate.
There will be net growth, but it won't be anything like the spastic Keynesian extrapolations. They are all massive bubbles too. If/when they pop they pop, and if/when we pop they pop.
The whole world isn't going to see hourly A380 service to every major city, which is pretty much what would have to happen to accomidate even a small fraction of the asinine order books in the aggregate.
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