View Poll Results: 121 pilots flying part 91 contract
I think it is okay!
12
42.86%
I frown on this practice.
9
32.14%
I don't have an opinion
7
25.00%
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Flying Contract while off duty part 121
#11
Remember if you log the flights, you're flight time counts against your flight/duty at your regular 121 gig.
If you have to bang out because you ran out of time from an outside gig, they will be VERY displeased, to say the least, and if you're on probation, my guess is you'll be toast.
A lot of places have restrictions on outside flying, and even if they let you do it, they make it VERY clear that it is NOT to interfere with your regular job. If you get hung up at your other job (broke airplane, weather, pesky owner), you're just as toasted.
Food for thought.
Nu
If you have to bang out because you ran out of time from an outside gig, they will be VERY displeased, to say the least, and if you're on probation, my guess is you'll be toast.
A lot of places have restrictions on outside flying, and even if they let you do it, they make it VERY clear that it is NOT to interfere with your regular job. If you get hung up at your other job (broke airplane, weather, pesky owner), you're just as toasted.
Food for thought.
Nu
#13
Runs with scissors
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Posts: 7,722
I was a Guard guy while flying 121, and I've never understood how the FAA buys off on the whole "Military Flying Doesn't Count" argument. If the rule is 100hrs. per month, for SAFETY, how is it less tiring, or safe to fly 80 at a 121, and another 40 with the Guard, vs.flying for a part 135 or 91 ops?
But to the dillema you are facing, ie. leaving your good paying job for a 121 and crapy first year pay, that is the choice we all had to make. Life is about choices, and there are no guarantees, certainly not in the 121 world.
I know lots of military guys who didn't do it, they didn't want to be Engineers, suffer the pay cut, had the family, etc. Be glad you'll get a window seat right away, and not have to spend 5 years on the panel, on the B scale, when you make the leap, and pray you don't get furloughed after you do...
But to the dillema you are facing, ie. leaving your good paying job for a 121 and crapy first year pay, that is the choice we all had to make. Life is about choices, and there are no guarantees, certainly not in the 121 world.
I know lots of military guys who didn't do it, they didn't want to be Engineers, suffer the pay cut, had the family, etc. Be glad you'll get a window seat right away, and not have to spend 5 years on the panel, on the B scale, when you make the leap, and pray you don't get furloughed after you do...
Last edited by Timbo; 12-04-2012 at 03:40 PM.
#14
That works as long as nothing happens. Stick a wheel in the mud, and it gets ugly, quick.
Not worth it, IMHO.
I understand where the OP is coming from. A good corporate gig can be pretty sweet, and your skills are directly transferrable rather than starting over. If he's pulling down $145 large, on average, it will be at least a few years (better figure 5) until he gets close to that.
However...
On the other side of the coin, Corporate jobs have their drawbacks, too. "At will employement" burned a lot of our corporate buds just a few years ago, and it can occur without warning, no matter the size or status of your department/company. One day you're flyin' your G, and the next day you find out the principal has signed with a management company, and you're stuff is handed to you in a box. Unles you're VERY junior at an airline, you'll get at least a couple of months notice for that.
If you simply want to vanish on your days off, and have your time as your own, you're probbaly not going find something like that in the corporate side. There's a lot of BS and petty politics in most departments, and the thought of putting your job out of your mind when you set the parking brake (in most cases) is very appealing.
My advice would be to start saving now, if you think you want to make the jump. Trim back to the essentials, and put that money away for when that first year happens. My guess is that things probably are not going to really open up anywhere until the end of next year, so you have some time to do that.
Nu
Not worth it, IMHO.
I understand where the OP is coming from. A good corporate gig can be pretty sweet, and your skills are directly transferrable rather than starting over. If he's pulling down $145 large, on average, it will be at least a few years (better figure 5) until he gets close to that.
However...
On the other side of the coin, Corporate jobs have their drawbacks, too. "At will employement" burned a lot of our corporate buds just a few years ago, and it can occur without warning, no matter the size or status of your department/company. One day you're flyin' your G, and the next day you find out the principal has signed with a management company, and you're stuff is handed to you in a box. Unles you're VERY junior at an airline, you'll get at least a couple of months notice for that.
If you simply want to vanish on your days off, and have your time as your own, you're probbaly not going find something like that in the corporate side. There's a lot of BS and petty politics in most departments, and the thought of putting your job out of your mind when you set the parking brake (in most cases) is very appealing.
My advice would be to start saving now, if you think you want to make the jump. Trim back to the essentials, and put that money away for when that first year happens. My guess is that things probably are not going to really open up anywhere until the end of next year, so you have some time to do that.
Nu
#15
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: 320 F.O.
Posts: 1,386
Remember if you get paid, you're flight time counts against your flight/duty at your regular 121 gig.
If you have to bang out because you ran out of time from an outside gig, they will be VERY displeased, to say the least, and if you're on probation, my guess is you'll be toast.
A lot of places have restrictions on outside flying, and even if they let you do it, they make it VERY clear that it is NOT to interfere with your regular job. If you get hung up at your other job (broke airplane, weather, pesky owner), you're just as toasted.
Food for thought.
Nu
If you have to bang out because you ran out of time from an outside gig, they will be VERY displeased, to say the least, and if you're on probation, my guess is you'll be toast.
A lot of places have restrictions on outside flying, and even if they let you do it, they make it VERY clear that it is NOT to interfere with your regular job. If you get hung up at your other job (broke airplane, weather, pesky owner), you're just as toasted.
Food for thought.
Nu
Another way to approach this issue is to start an LLC and your LLC gets paid for your flying you are not getting paid. If you run your LLC with a little creativity you can run most of your life expenses throught it then take a draw at the end of the year. There are plenty of 121 guys out there doing it. I advise you to look into it!
Last edited by Climbto450; 12-05-2012 at 10:26 AM.
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