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Flying Contract while off duty part 121
12-04-2012, 11:00 AM
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Flying Contract while off duty part 121
I was just curious if anybody has done this or know others that do? I am thinking of possibly going the part 121 route if I can get hired by a Major. My biggest concern is that the first few years are very rough in terms of pay and I would be taking in significantly less from my part 91 flying on Gulfstreams. I was thinking I could still do part 91 flying here and there to help make ends meet until the pay got a bit better. Any thoughts? 
12-04-2012, 11:11 AM
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Remember if you get paid, you're flight time counts against your flight/duty at your regular 121 gig.
If you have to bang out because you ran out of time from an outside gig, they will be VERY displeased, to say the least, and if you're on probation, my guess is you'll be toast.
A lot of places have restrictions on outside flying, and even if they let you do it, they make it VERY clear that it is NOT to interfere with your regular job. If you get hung up at your other job (broke airplane, weather, pesky owner), you're just as toasted.
Food for thought.
Nu
If you have to bang out because you ran out of time from an outside gig, they will be VERY displeased, to say the least, and if you're on probation, my guess is you'll be toast.
A lot of places have restrictions on outside flying, and even if they let you do it, they make it VERY clear that it is NOT to interfere with your regular job. If you get hung up at your other job (broke airplane, weather, pesky owner), you're just as toasted.
Food for thought.
Nu
12-04-2012, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Remember if you get paid, you're flight time counts against your flight/duty at your regular 121 gig.
If you have to bang out because you ran out of time from an outside gig, they will be VERY displeased, to say the least, and if you're on probation, my guess is you'll be toast.
A lot of places have restrictions on outside flying, and even if they let you do it, they make it VERY clear that it is NOT to interfere with your regular job. If you get hung up at your other job (broke airplane, weather, pesky owner), you're just as toasted.
Food for thought.
Nu
If you have to bang out because you ran out of time from an outside gig, they will be VERY displeased, to say the least, and if you're on probation, my guess is you'll be toast.
A lot of places have restrictions on outside flying, and even if they let you do it, they make it VERY clear that it is NOT to interfere with your regular job. If you get hung up at your other job (broke airplane, weather, pesky owner), you're just as toasted.
Food for thought.
Nu
Take United for example:
First year FO makes $33 per hour with a 70 hour gaurantee which equals $2310 per month which means $27720 per year!!! I have a wife and two kids, I am not sure I can make that work without doing work outside of the airline.
12-04-2012, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by LibertyPilot
So based on your experience would the transition be worth it in the long run. I am paid well now but I don't have a schedule, pretty much on call all the time. I just can't get over how low the first year pay is at a major. IMO a Regional Captain should not have to take a huge paycut to come work for a major.
Take United for example:
First year FO makes $33 per hour with a 70 hour gaurantee which equals $2310 per month which means $27720 per year!!! I have a wife and two kids, I am not sure I can make that work without doing work outside of the airline.
Take United for example:
First year FO makes $33 per hour with a 70 hour gaurantee which equals $2310 per month which means $27720 per year!!! I have a wife and two kids, I am not sure I can make that work without doing work outside of the airline.
12-04-2012, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
The new United TA has 1st year pay around $61/hr, but I definitely agree with your logic. Unfortunately, that is one of many examples how the Part 121 airlines are difficult career choices to put it lightly. If you spend 5 years at an airline, then get furloughed you have to go back to 1st year pay at another 121 airline. If you lost your job at your Gulfstream employer, you could take that type rating and experience to another company and be paid fairly.
It does stink when pilots get furloughed and have to start at the bottom at another airline. However, my feeling is that I could always go back to part 91 or 135 based on my experience and my connections. 91 and 135 is a tough market to crack but I am deep in it already.
But if the airlines worked out, and I build seniority fast enough, it seems like it could be the smart move.
12-04-2012, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by LibertyPilot
So based on your experience would the transition be worth it in the long run. I am paid well now but I don't have a schedule, pretty much on call all the time. I just can't get over how low the first year pay is at a major. IMO a Regional Captain should not have to take a huge paycut to come work for a major.
Take United for example:
First year FO makes $33 per hour with a 70 hour gaurantee which equals $2310 per month which means $27720 per year!!! I have a wife and two kids, I am not sure I can make that work without doing work outside of the airline.
Take United for example:
First year FO makes $33 per hour with a 70 hour gaurantee which equals $2310 per month which means $27720 per year!!! I have a wife and two kids, I am not sure I can make that work without doing work outside of the airline.
12-04-2012, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by LibertyPilot
I was just curious if anybody has done this or know others that do? I am thinking of possibly going the part 121 route if I can get hired by a Major. My biggest concern is that the first few years are very rough in terms of pay and I would be taking in significantly less from my part 91 flying on Gulfstreams. I was thinking I could still do part 91 flying here and there to help make ends meet until the pay got a bit better. Any thoughts?
From the UA TA:
5-A Non-Company Flying
Pilots shall devote their entire professional flying service to the Company provided that nothing in this Agreement shall be construed to prevent any Pilot from affiliating or assuming duties with the military services of the United States.
Pilots shall devote their entire professional flying service to the Company provided that nothing in this Agreement shall be construed to prevent any Pilot from affiliating or assuming duties with the military services of the United States.
12-04-2012, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DLpilot
Don't base your career decision on first year pay. At Delta first year pay in 2013 is $66 per hour. Second year is $91 and third year is $107. I know quite a few guys that would not leave the regionals because of the first year cut. I was making more in my second year at Delta than I ever made as a regional captain. You have to think long term....best of luck to you.
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