departing JFK NYC airspace canarsie climb
12-27-2012, 09:17 AM
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departing JFK NYC airspace canarsie climb
Anyone have any knowledge of what gets your turned faster towards your intended route?
we departed today on 31L Canarsie climb destination SFO, They typically fly you in the opposite direction for a bit before turning you to join your airway.
What is better climb faster/slower indicated or faster indicated and possible lower climb rate, in order to get the turn to the airway?
I always thought it was distance so flying faster would be better, but the guy I was flying with today thought a getting higher faster was better.
Both make sense to me, why would you want to blast off 300kts in the wrong direction right? but if you don't get the turn until X amount of miles from the airport then wouldn't getting there faster be better?
we departed today on 31L Canarsie climb destination SFO, They typically fly you in the opposite direction for a bit before turning you to join your airway.
What is better climb faster/slower indicated or faster indicated and possible lower climb rate, in order to get the turn to the airway?
I always thought it was distance so flying faster would be better, but the guy I was flying with today thought a getting higher faster was better.
Both make sense to me, why would you want to blast off 300kts in the wrong direction right? but if you don't get the turn until X amount of miles from the airport then wouldn't getting there faster be better?
12-27-2012, 09:21 AM
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You're going all the way to SFO and worried about what you can do to make one turn on the departure faster? (and you won't be able to change it by much...)
My guess is no matter what you do, you won't be able to notice it by the time you get there. Just fly your company's profile and airspeeds like everyone else. Its easier.
My guess is no matter what you do, you won't be able to notice it by the time you get there. Just fly your company's profile and airspeeds like everyone else. Its easier.
12-27-2012, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by atr42flyer
Anyone have any knowledge of what gets your turned faster towards your intended route?
we departed today on 31L Canarsie climb destination SFO, They typically fly you in the opposite direction for a bit before turning you to join your airway.
What is better climb faster/slower indicated or faster indicated and possible lower climb rate, in order to get the turn to the airway?
I always thought it was distance so flying faster would be better, but the guy I was flying with today thought a getting higher faster was better.
Both make sense to me, why would you want to blast off 300kts in the wrong direction right? but if you don't get the turn until X amount of miles from the airport then wouldn't getting there faster be better?
we departed today on 31L Canarsie climb destination SFO, They typically fly you in the opposite direction for a bit before turning you to join your airway.
What is better climb faster/slower indicated or faster indicated and possible lower climb rate, in order to get the turn to the airway?
I always thought it was distance so flying faster would be better, but the guy I was flying with today thought a getting higher faster was better.
Both make sense to me, why would you want to blast off 300kts in the wrong direction right? but if you don't get the turn until X amount of miles from the airport then wouldn't getting there faster be better?
12-27-2012, 09:25 AM
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You doing the big left hand turn to the NE, north, and then NW over LGA?
They need you at 13,000' and something like 11 nm northeast of JFK before they can turn you to 360(?). It's been awhile but I think that's the altitude/distance/heading combination.
Ask departure next time. They know.
They need you at 13,000' and something like 11 nm northeast of JFK before they can turn you to 360(?). It's been awhile but I think that's the altitude/distance/heading combination.
Ask departure next time. They know.
12-27-2012, 09:26 AM
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have to agree.... as with most things in the NYC area......time of day, density of traffic is going to play a big part. Some days you get vectored a lot... somedays not so much. In the end I bet it doesn't make more than a min or two difference......
12-27-2012, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by lolwut
You're going all the way to SFO and worried about what you can do to make one turn on the departure faster? (and you won't be able to change it by much...)
My guess is no matter what you do, you won't be able to notice it by the time you get there. Just fly your company's profile and airspeeds like everyone else. Its easier.
My guess is no matter what you do, you won't be able to notice it by the time you get there. Just fly your company's profile and airspeeds like everyone else. Its easier.
Im not worried, I was curious thank you Mr. Checkairman
I do fly the profile, but today this guy wanted to climb at green dot so it got me thinking.
12-27-2012, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by atr42flyer
Anyone have any knowledge of what gets your turned faster towards your intended route?
we departed today on 31L Canarsie climb destination SFO, They typically fly you in the opposite direction for a bit before turning you to join your airway.
What is better climb faster/slower indicated or faster indicated and possible lower climb rate, in order to get the turn to the airway?
I always thought it was distance so flying faster would be better, but the guy I was flying with today thought a getting higher faster was better.
Both make sense to me, why would you want to blast off 300kts in the wrong direction right? but if you don't get the turn until X amount of miles from the airport then wouldn't getting there faster be better?
we departed today on 31L Canarsie climb destination SFO, They typically fly you in the opposite direction for a bit before turning you to join your airway.
What is better climb faster/slower indicated or faster indicated and possible lower climb rate, in order to get the turn to the airway?
I always thought it was distance so flying faster would be better, but the guy I was flying with today thought a getting higher faster was better.
Both make sense to me, why would you want to blast off 300kts in the wrong direction right? but if you don't get the turn until X amount of miles from the airport then wouldn't getting there faster be better?
This is what I do and has been my experience most of the time......YMMV
Denny
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12-27-2012, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
You doing the big left hand turn to the NE, north, and then NW over LGA?
They need you at 13,000' and something like 11 nm northeast of JFK before they can turn you to 360(?). It's been awhile but I think that's the altitude/distance/heading combination.
Ask departure next time. They know.
They need you at 13,000' and something like 11 nm northeast of JFK before they can turn you to 360(?). It's been awhile but I think that's the altitude/distance/heading combination.
Ask departure next time. They know.
12-27-2012, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by atr42flyer
Yes that is the climb I kinda figured it was a combination but again wanted others input.
Typically it's the altitude that's the problem which is why the guy probably said to stay at your current airspeed instead of accelerating.
And if they don't give you the turn right away it might be because they're busy or have conflicting traffic. Accelerating towards BOS typically doesn't help. Make the turn and then lower the nose.
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