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Old 07-25-2005, 09:18 PM   #11  
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Default Swa and their Sandbox

This is what I am angry about.

Its always SWA who is the one who can't get along with anyone else
and requires their "own sandbox" to play in.

Here are some recent examples:

1) Wright amendment, 30 some odd years ago everybody I mean EVERYBODY said ok DFW I see that you built us a really nice new aerodrome and you want us to use it. Ok, EVERYBODY packed their bags and moved to DFW.........
that is everybody but SWA. SWA said "we like it here" ok then fine
Love is where you will stay!.
Fast forward 30 years Now SWA wants to have their "own sandbox"
Swa says "we don't like DFW" and we want to skirt the issue and have the legislation changed so we can still have our "own sandbox"
Sorry Fellas that decision was made 30 years ago........you had the chance then AND STILL HAVE THE SAME OPTION TODAY.
Pack up and move over !

2) Recent SEA events:
SEA has built up an beautifull new airport, modern large,easy access,etc.
SWA AGAIN says" We don't like SEA we want our own sandbox"

The city fathers and the rest of the non SWA comminity are saying
"SWA whats your problem" We have built a beautifull airport for you and everyone else to use.
But NOOOOOOOOOO SWA has to buck the system AGAIN had have it their way.

People this ain't Burger King, lets just fly to and from the SAME airport
and quit this SWA sandbox VS Rest of the airline sandbox.

SWA has a good product to sell NO discussion there.
Lets just all sell our product from the same mall!

I know ,I know You will harp all over my points saying things like
SEA and DFW just are not are in our business plans.
Well Tough.......... Airports in American are for ALL planes big, small.
green yellow and blue. So I ask you to play in everyones sandbox
and quit bucking the system.

SWA and all others CAN do this at the same playground.
Its just a matter of wanting to.
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Old 07-26-2005, 08:47 AM   #12  
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This whole AA against Southwest thing is getting really old to read...

Get it into your mind that this is a business. You can't whine that the way Southwest does business is hurting AA. Thats ludicrious. If AA really cares, then do something about it. Beat them. Develop a better business plan. Try being on time for once. I picked up my buddy 3 hours late yesterday (3am) at the Little Rock airport because AA was late... again!

Talking about it on here sure isn't going to help.

And no I don't work for either company... I read this forum to try to find leads and ideas on how to find a job... not listen to people whine about how their company is getting their butts handed to them by a younger, smaller company with a better business plan.
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Old 07-26-2005, 12:07 PM   #13  
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Mr. Bengals Fan

Perhaps you should stay in the Military?
Since you are already accustomed to a "non profit organization"

Since you do not care how business is performed at your current position,
maybe you should stay at that mindset.

I like to discuss different business plans and ideas.
From your post I see that you don't like to discuss anything new and different.

If you do not want to join the discussion I might suggest you surf elswhere!

You are free to make up ANY TOPIC and have some talk about it.
Please do not chastise others because YOU dont like it.
Sincerely
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Old 07-26-2005, 02:36 PM   #14  
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Originally Posted by av8r4aa

I like to discuss different business plans and ideas.
It seems that's true as long as it's an idea that you champion. It's been pointed out that SWA is a successful business, with good employee morale, a solid business plan, and return on equity to share holders.

So please, could you tell us again where SWA is doing it all wrong?
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Old 07-26-2005, 03:14 PM   #15  
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Whats funny is that my post did talk about business, and more fact is that you don't talk business, you whine that Southwest doesn't "play along". Well playing along isn't business. Beating your opposition into folding is... and that is what Southwest is doing to AA in Texas.
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Old 07-26-2005, 08:38 PM   #16  
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Mr Bengal fan,
Remind me so I can be sure that your resume goes where it needs to,
when AA starts hiring again.

2 hints:

1) its round
2) gets dumped nightly

Do us all a favor and stay where you are at Please!
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Old 07-26-2005, 08:53 PM   #17  
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>>Its always SWA who is the one who can't get along with anyone else
and requires their "own sandbox" to play in.<<

So what exactly was the sandbox situation when Legend airlines built their own terminal at Love and did their own thing there only to have AA come in with their modified 56 seat airplanes which they purposely operated at a huge loss to undercut Legend and then promptly left the scene the moment they had destroyed them?
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Old 07-26-2005, 09:02 PM   #18  
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Default Sandbox clarification

Perhaps a little history lesson is in order.

Maybe you were too young but a few years ago..........

September 11 to be exact. A lot of things changed that day.

I do not remember SWA in the news that day.

Since then many changes have happened one being AA leaving

Love field .

You were probably a student pilot then and did not pay much attention
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Old 07-26-2005, 09:42 PM   #19  
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Cry me a river.

9/11 was a horrible day for everyone. It is a verifiable fact that the direct economic impact of the aftermath of 9/11 has had a significantly higher adverse impact on short haul flights than long haul. Security hassles and delays make the automobile a competitor on short haul. That is one of the primary reasons why SWA is increasing its stage lengths and desirous of flying long haul out of DAL. The other is the tax/fee per segment rules that AMR championed to hurt SWA.

BTW, I started as a student pilot in 1974
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Bengalsfan, you apparently get it. So when it's time for you to make the transition, your resume' would be welcome at www.southwest.com. As far as AA, they still have +/-2500 layed off. It will probably be 4-5 years before there is any movement over there. Also, don't discount the freight operators, as that business is fairly stable. Whatever you decide, do pleanty of research and may I reccommend that you read the book Hard Landing. Good luck.
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