Kudos to JetBlue's Pilot Voting Committee!
#31
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I also think the presentation was great from the PVC but there seemed to be one key component missing- cost. Many of us are quick to jump with needing industry average but- where is the part from the PVC that shows the company can actually afford all of these items? I'm ALL for the items in the presentation but showing the cost to the company would go a long way in demonstrating if it's realistic from a business perspective. I have no idea what these improvements will cost but I'm sure it's in the tens of millions and maybe more per year. When I see a high profit year in 2012 of 128 million (86/97 previous 2 years) I can't but wonder if all of our requests would quickly put the company in red and a balance sheet that resembles VA. I personally need more information then to blindly say "I expect industry average". I REALLY hope the math adds up, but I need to see it.
#32
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They should be paying off airplanes, I would be worried if they weren't. I don't stay up at night ****ed that they aren't "spending it on me". I would just like to see our key points costed out- its just business. If they can cleary afford it then we should see it laid out for us from the PVC and not assume.
#33
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TX Bus you're a grumpy person. What the PVC is doing is exactly what we need to do as a pilot group. And, the PVC represents you! That picture is ridiculous. Ask about the current applications and profiles on file. Your closed mindedness is overwhelming. When the ALPA arrives @ jetblue and the MEC has personally consulted you for your specific contractual demands you still won't be happy.
The facts are out on the table for everyone to see and understand. I've said it from the beginning of our union rants, there can not be harmony at this company unless there is a preservation of the existing open communication between the pilot group and management. We can have ALPA, IAW or JPA and still achieve this. Why you don't have anything constructive to present to attaining this harmony is an indication of your personal disdain for managemt and corporation. I say, "Drop your sword sir, and raise your constructive pen!" (Or in this case keyboard)
-Bubs
The facts are out on the table for everyone to see and understand. I've said it from the beginning of our union rants, there can not be harmony at this company unless there is a preservation of the existing open communication between the pilot group and management. We can have ALPA, IAW or JPA and still achieve this. Why you don't have anything constructive to present to attaining this harmony is an indication of your personal disdain for managemt and corporation. I say, "Drop your sword sir, and raise your constructive pen!" (Or in this case keyboard)
-Bubs
Each year a new committee and acronym is developed and each year the results are disregarded. Do you think the pilots supported or suggested the pay raise should be 2% while gutting the health care?
The PVC and CBC both told the company not to do this and presented the supporting information. JetBlue designed a new committee called the CATCAB which had one pilot designee who signed an NDA which precluded him from sharing any the information with the pilot committees. So JetBlue paid for pilot committees to provide pay and benefits info only to start a third committee to override he previous 2 committees and institute the changes.
The reason some in the pilot group believe there is open communication is because ford and Harrison has specifically told management to give the pilots a perceived voice. Send out surveys, give them feedback opportunities on monthly calls, make CP's available to them. All this is designed to foster that open communication feel when in reality we have none. The changes indicate this.
The only way to have open communication is via negotiations under a legally binding CBA.
#34
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I also think the presentation was great from the PVC but there seemed to be one key component missing- cost. Many of us are quick to jump with needing industry average but- where is the part from the PVC that shows the company can actually afford all of these items? I'm ALL for the items in the presentation but showing the cost to the company would go a long way in demonstrating if it's realistic from a business perspective. I have no idea what these improvements will cost but I'm sure it's in the tens of millions and maybe more per year. When I see a high profit year in 2012 of 128 million (86/97 previous 2 years) I can't but wonder if all of our requests would quickly put the company in red and a balance sheet that resembles VA. I personally need more information then to blindly say "I expect industry average". I REALLY hope the math adds up, but I need to see it.
Without a CBA there is no future at JB. Don't get me wrong I like my job and the people I work with and the CP's I just don't see how we (the pilots) can continue to get sub level pay/benefits and not be leaving in groves. The end of this year / beginning of next year we will see DA begin to hire along with UAL and AA/US and the JB exodus will begin, I don't think our training facilities will be able to deal with it.
#35
I also think the presentation was great from the PVC but there seemed to be one key component missing- cost. Many of us are quick to jump with needing industry average but- where is the part from the PVC that shows the company can actually afford all of these items? I'm ALL for the items in the presentation but showing the cost to the company would go a long way in demonstrating if it's realistic from a business perspective. I have no idea what these improvements will cost but I'm sure it's in the tens of millions and maybe more per year. When I see a high profit year in 2012 of 128 million (86/97 previous 2 years) I can't but wonder if all of our requests would quickly put the company in red and a balance sheet that resembles VA. I personally need more information then to blindly say "I expect industry average". I REALLY hope the math adds up, but I need to see it.
It's their job to figure out how to make that work.
#36
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They should be paying off airplanes, I would be worried if they weren't. I don't stay up at night ****ed that they aren't "spending it on me". I would just like to see our key points costed out- its just business. If they can cleary afford it then we should see it laid out for us from the PVC and not assume.
#37
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They should be paying off airplanes, I would be worried if they weren't. I don't stay up at night ****ed that they aren't "spending it on me". I would just like to see our key points costed out- its just business. If they can cleary afford it then we should see it laid out for us from the PVC and not assume.
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I don't think they you realize that VA is not a publicly traded company and does not meet nor is required to meet GAP accounting practices. VA's balance sheet looks horrible by design. It is designed to keep labor costs down. You can not compare them to us.
Without a CBA there is no future at JB. Don't get me wrong I like my job and the people I work with and the CP's I just don't see how we (the pilots) can continue to get sub level pay/benefits and not be leaving in groves. The end of this year / beginning of next year we will see DA begin to hire along with UAL and AA/US and the JB exodus will begin, I don't think our training facilities will be able to deal with it.
Without a CBA there is no future at JB. Don't get me wrong I like my job and the people I work with and the CP's I just don't see how we (the pilots) can continue to get sub level pay/benefits and not be leaving in groves. The end of this year / beginning of next year we will see DA begin to hire along with UAL and AA/US and the JB exodus will begin, I don't think our training facilities will be able to deal with it.
#39
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It's pretty simple. It's time to pay up or people leave. Managements choice. I'll bet you a piece of pizza from the food court you didn't even watch the PVC video/audio/powrpoint on pay.
#40
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Not only did jetblue pay off all those airframes it also paid for T5i. Added $29 million for capx in FLL and paid down an additional $200 mil in debt. Whats not included is the additional 80 mil saved from health care. Revenue is up, employee cost is down comparatively.
Jetblue is doing exceptionally well. So much so executives continue to reap the rewards in the form of RSU's and grants. This is aside from annual bonuses and raises which weren't supposed to happen for 2012.
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