NoHandHold

Hey folks, I just wanted to do a quick questionnaire on different new hire QOL subjects for the majors and compile them into one thread/area. Feel free to answer them for your respective airline with the most up to date contract rules. Thanks!

1. How long does new hire training last? What is training pay? Where is new hire training located? Is lodging provided for training?

2. What base & equipment can someone expect as a new hire?

3. What reserve rules apply to new hires? For Example...short call rules...long call rules...how many days on duty typically...on call duty periods...commuter clauses...etc.

tsquare

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Sorry, couldn't resist.

1.Atlanta I don't have the contract handy for newhire pay and I do not think lodging is included. But I am sure you can find a nice apartment in College Park. (kidding about that)

2. Probably the 717 in DTW by the time we get cranked up again....

3. That is an incredibly complex question. You will have 10-12 X days (off) days each month depending on the length of the bid month. Short call is a handshake agreement (readily available) No time per se because of the different bases and traffic etc..... 2 hours from ATL might be southern Tennessee while 2 hours in NY might be just off the airport property, so we didn't go there. (fortunately). We have a call in honest policy at DAL, but I wouldn't think about using it while on probation... Some of the guys that are on the 88 would be better suited to talk about days being used and such. I know most of the FOs on the 7ER in NY are working on their PhDs because they have nothing else to do...

gloopy

Are we talking major major, or everyone is a major including most regionals majors?

I take it you mean legacy airlines, if that's even still a thing. Anyway:

1. Training lasts 2-6 months, most likely 2-3. $3700ish per month until you finish OE.

1 year aircraft freeze. Almost all in ATL, although some extremely limited cases are possible "off site" like MIA, etc. But 99% all in ATL.

As of right now, lodging for the first 2 weeks (indoc) only is provided. Pads and hotels in ATL are pretty cheap (I'd still like to see full lodging for training provided though).

2. NYC definately, DTW probably, ATL on a sporadic basis (some classes will have a few others won't). Eventually MSP and CVG slots could dip to the new hire level. At present, pretty much every base is available within the bottom 2-5% of the list, and periods of hiring tend to make things more accessable to the super junior. If the base you want isn't availabe, I'd recommend bidding the aircraft that is based where you want, as you might be able to transfer within your first year.

Equipment will be plenty of MD88 as well as almost as many 737, 320 and 717 positions. There will also be pop up 767ER NYC positions that will continue to make it to the new hire level. Not everyone agrees but I would put money on it. Being super junior on that plane in that base sucks hard (unless you live there, and even then), so the plug positions will always scrape the bottom 1-2% of the list.

3. Reserve rules is a massive section to the contract and no one can post enough for anyone to get the full picture of. The main things are 72-80 hour guarantee averaging 75.5/month for the year. What will become 7 short calls max per month, though you will likely never sit that many because you will be used a lot most months. Days off 12-15 depending on a lot of factors that are not worth popping the chaff to discuss at this level. Short call is basically 2 hours. Again more to the story but that's enough for now. Long call is 12 hours, or 10 hours to beginning of 2 hour short call.

One of, if not the, best commuter clauses in the industry. However it is severely frowned on to use it "down to mins" very often. Default contract clause is still pretty good for most commutes to most bases. Plan to pad those mins as well, especially as a new hire. The policies apply to everyone, but you don't want to be the guy/gal that misses a lot of commutes your first year.

Also, if you fly (and odds are you will) a lot your first year, probation ends in 400 block hours, so 7-10 months on probation is likely instead of 12.

Of course none of this matters because if any legacy is a step up for you, then all are a step up for you, so apply everywhere and go where you're hired.

FlyJSH

Suggestion: since not all of us have memorized for whom other members fly, why not include the name of the company?

EMBFlyer

For US Airways:

1. Training is anywhere from 6 weeks to about 2 months, depending on sim availability and whether or not you need any extra training. Training pay is your regular pay and per diem from Day 1. If you're on the E190, it's $42.05/hour on an 85 hour guarantee. On the other fleets, it's a flat $3,000 a month. Per diem is $2.00/hour, 'round the clock, unless you're on a TDO (Training Day Off). Indoc is 2 weeks in PHX. Qualification Training (Ground School) and Sims are normally in CLT, but could be in PHX due to availability. Single occupancy hotel rooms are provided for the entire time. They will also give you a room if you need it for OE.

2. Right now, it's either the E190 in PHL or the narrowbody Airbus in either PHL, DCA or CLT. PHL and DCA are junior, but it hasn't been unheard of for a newhire to get CLT. I doubt they'll be sending any more newhires to the 737.

3. You bid for short or long call reserve. Some guys out of training can hold long call in PHL. Long call is a 9 hour callout. Short call you must be with in 90 minutes normal driving time to your domicile. Everyone gets 11 days off on reserve. For short call, you get a PT (Protected Time) and you can bid for it. This is a time free from duty. It's 9 hours. The time outside of your PT, you're on call. Scheduling can and will change your PT. The day before each reserve period, you call an automated phone system after 1800 base time to get your PT for the next day or to confirm it has/hasn't changed.

For long call, when they call you for a trip, if it's 9 hours, that becomes your PT. It has been known to happen that scheduling will call you the day before your trip to give you a heads up. If it's an off day, you're not obligated to answer, but it might be in your best interest to do so. If you're high on the list in your bucket, you will get a choice of trips if they have one. Futures normally processes trips around 1300 PIT time the day before for long call.

Reserve is a bucket system. 1 day, 2 days, 3 days and 4 or more days. You're sorted in the bucket by Least Time Order. If you have the same amount of time as someone else, then it's by seniority.

There is no commuter clause that I'm aware of. Be smart and if you're on probation, be in position. We have the ability to reserve the jumpseat 7 days out and it's first come first served. That helps a lot.

kingairip

EMBFlyer,
Thanks for this. Couple of questions: Regarding short call, what does "normal driving time" mean? Does that mean no traffic? For example, if one was DCA based, could one be in Fredericksburg, VA (50 miles south of DCA) and be considered within 90 minutes normal driving time? With no traffic, it's a one hour drive. During rush hour, it might be twice that. Also, is it 90 minutes to the parking lot, the gate, the pilot lounge or what?

Regarding the jumpseat, is there a process for a US guy to reserve the AA jumpseat? Probably not yet...but, will it be considered after the effective date? Or, is that sort of thing years away?

Thanks in advance!

EMBFlyer

Basically, if they were to Mapquest your address, it would be 90 minutes without traffic. If it takes you longer, it takes longer. And it's 90 minutes to the airport (meaning the parking lot).

As for the jumpseat, we cannot reserve the AA jumpseat and neither can they. I'm not sure if they'll adopt our system or vice versa. I know it's seniority-based at AA. Who knows what system we'll adopt? Our pass travel is seniority-based and AA's is first come first served. It will be decided down the road.

kingairip

Thanks, EMBFlyer!

SVA402

Great thread with good info! Thanks guys!

Probe

UAL (CAL side of the house)

1. 60 an hour. 90 hours a month for a full training month, 72 hour guarantee if less. Full per diem. Hotel and transportation during training.

2. Training is 2 months. New hires getting 737 and 756 in both IAH and EWR.

3. New reserve rules not yet fully in effect, but soon. Long/short call.

4. Because UAL furloughees are still trickling back, you will be junior for a long time.