Jetblue PAR email and a raise
 

You are not getting a raise.

Jetblue operates at a 28% CASM advantage over other airlines yet cannot afford to provide you an industry standard pay/benefits package.

The 4/8 8K report clearly states senior leadership bonuses are dependent on maintaining the same CASM so where will the raises come from?

Jetblue claims they cannot afford to provide you a raise without Domestic codesharing which will stagnate growth and seniority.

The PAR claims in a CBA world it cannot take things away YET you have had your health insurance gutted, premium pay reduced from 70 to 78 hours, vacation diminished, PTO arbitrarily changed from premium to base and back to premium, block hours reduced and your overall earnings potential capped.

While the claim that something cannot be taken away is contractually correct jetblue has proven that it does and will make any changes it feels are necessary to your detriment.

The point of all this is Jetblue feels you are not smart enough to read a 10K/8K report. That you don't understand what a 28% CASM advantage provides. That the Direct Relationship provides Jetblue the ability to make changes to your documents is somehow a benefit to you.

The pilots at Jetblue provide Jetblue airways a tremendous financial advantage. Jetblue can and should provide an industry standard/leading pay and benefits package WITHOUT give backs including relaxing scope.

I don't understand why the 'PAR' team even exists? The only pilot on the PAR is the chief pilot who is less than 2 years from retirement. How exactly am I to believe that any of them - Rich included has my best interests in mind?? I thought we elected the PVC to take care of the annual pay review?

The PAR is not speaking for the pilots(despite the system chief pilot being head of the team). PAR team represents the ELT.

PVC speaks for the pilots and has designated their own subgroup to deal with the PAR since that is the direction the ELT went. Clear as mud?

Thanks, that makes a lot more sense. Now to catch up on the 300 emails in the last week from them... :-/

And I'm sure the "unforseen" $20 million E-190 maintenance won't affect their bonuses.

That's all depends on how it's described. The bonuses being affected by CASM are based on non-fuel expenditures up to 2015. This also explains Jetblues desire to provide you with a three year plan that cannot be changed.

This course allows for the bonuses to be reached while not being affected by OAL contract increases.

Keep this in mind as well. The codeshares JetBlue wants have to be long term. No airline is willing to negotiate a codeshare with Bluejet that only last 2 years as the documents describe.

Keep this in mind when your opinion is asked.

Another PAR committee update.....yawn. The deck is stacked, the game is rigged but this group hasn't had enough. What do you tell a JetBlue pilot with two black eyes? Nothing he hasn't already been told twice.

You guys have lots of acronyms.

The only acronym you need to know is BS. In a nutshell that is what the entire process is.

Oh no kidding! I've been here almost 6 years and I still can't keep up.

Jetblue PAR email and a raise
 

If we don't get a raise, people will leave in droves.

That's what it comes down to. Management knows this as well they are just trying to negotiate with what few tools they have. Mention Scope and most pilots scare into conformity. Our PVC has to vote on any changes to do with scope so voice your opinion to your PVC rep.

What kind of raise do you guys think it'll take to get people to stick around?

20%/hr, 15% retirement without needing to match, and an increase in PTO by about 75% with alloted vacation slots throughout the year... I might stop updating DAL app if we started there... in yr6.

Conversation with two buds that are 320CA in yr 10 and 11 here, both are going back to AA and DAL respectively.

The way it is now a 30yr carreer will be the difference of about 5Million dollars if you end up at UAL, DAL, or AA vs. JB.

Awesome, that's two spots I move up and hopefully the message they send by leaving will be heard.

Easy question to answer.


Jetblue either brings A320 comp AND benefits all across the board in line with DAL or UAL or the mass exodus begins.


JJ

HOLD YOUR BREATH! (or don't)

2007 proved a 10% turnover rate. Things were tough and the airline was playing catchup for quite some time which forced the operation to suffer.

The industry is different now and much of the attrition will depend on hiring and not necessarily recall.

The big question remains where is Jetblues break even point. A captain or senior FO can result in 3 or 4 training slots. Even with new hire pay the training cost alone could outweigh the larger salary departure.

nice that there are good paying union jobs out there to choose from.....

I agree with what you are saying, but would like to add a few points about what they can and do take away. Reference the PPA (Pilot Protection Agreement). It clearly states that the PVC must give their consent to continue a code share. It also states that neither the PVC nor the company can base PEA changes (compensation) on the condition of code-share. Both of those are currently being ignored since the company wants full and total control of unlimited code-share with no PVC input, and the company has clearly stated on numerous occasions that in order for us to get a raise, we much allow unlimited code-share.

The PPA, which is part of the famous 5 documents that was pushed to the pilots about a year and a half ago, is being ignored. I'm not sure what they mean when they say they can't take away anything, while at the same time they are ignoring what limited protections we do have. Most guys signed the PPA having no clue what it said, and there were a few that read the "summary" provided by the company. The last person I flew with asked me what a PPA was! The company is taking (and has previously) taken advantage of the pilot's lack of knowledge related to the PEA, 5 documents, FSM, etc. Thankfully, at least now we have a PVC that is calling them out. Unfortunately, the PVC doesn't have too much of a leg to stand on other than informing the pilot group, which doesn't typically pay attention to their rights afforded under our so-called contracts.

Is the company still preaching "organic" growth?

Not so nice that Jetblue continues to lose Pilots to them!


JJ

Currently most majors aren't hiring. Because if this JetBlue is willing to kick the proverbial can down the road again. The only focus is not pay but rather relaxing your scope. Once they get it rest assured your pay will not increase much.
Call your PVC rep. You need to learn the truth.