Premium/Overtime pay at your airline
05-07-2013, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
The basic point of this was to gauge what the conditions are at other airlines. Our management is stating that we are so lucky at jetblue because we have a premium pay system, and makes the illusion that no other major carrier offers overtime pay. So I was just trying to gauge the truthiness of that statement.
Virgin America gets 125% above 80
Allegiant gets 130% above 81
05-07-2013, 01:30 PM
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Allegiant is 130% only for hours flown above 81 hours. Hours credited for any other reason are straight pay.
Junior manning is straight pay. Charters are straight pay. Helping out with a same day staffing request is straight pay. Red eyes and international are straight pay.
We also traded our previous 75 hour guarantee down to a 70 hour guarantee for the 81 hour override years ago.
Junior manning is straight pay. Charters are straight pay. Helping out with a same day staffing request is straight pay. Red eyes and international are straight pay.
We also traded our previous 75 hour guarantee down to a 70 hour guarantee for the 81 hour override years ago.
05-07-2013, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
But flying less hours and forcing my company to hire more pilots doesn't exactly raise MY w2.
05-07-2013, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by biigD
Oh I know. I just hope negotiators (at any company) don't compromise on the base rate when management dangles the premium pay carrot. I'm away from my family enough as it is - I'd rather be happy with my W2 such that I don't feel the need to be away even more.
05-07-2013, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
And the pilot got 27.7% more total pay....
05-07-2013, 04:54 PM
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DAL has a few different types of incentives to get Pilots to fly more for extra cash:
Line-holders: *Straight pick up at straight pay. A line holder can pick up any trip in open time ( with some restrictions) - from tomorrow to about a month and a half out.
* Green-slips at 200% pay. Usually very short notice but sometimes the next day. You must request these and are expected to fly them if you put in for it. Definite good deal.
* Inverse assignments at 200%. Tag your it! Can be a good deal unless your kid answers the phone on Christmas eve and says "Dads right here."
You have to fly these.
Reserves: *Green-slips at straight pay above the guarantee on off days, plus you get your days off back. This can be a really good deal if your category is short. Sometimes called "Rolling Thunder." Since you get your off days back scheduling can call you again for more pay above the cap and you then get more days off. Hard to pull off and pretty rare these days but a few years ago 140 hour months for guys flying less than 70 hours were not that unusual.
All of the above except inverse assignments go out in seniority order. Inverse assignments go out reverse seniority order.
While these are mostly good, they do allow the company to get by with fewer pilots which can negatively affect upward movement.
Scoop
Line-holders: *Straight pick up at straight pay. A line holder can pick up any trip in open time ( with some restrictions) - from tomorrow to about a month and a half out.
* Green-slips at 200% pay. Usually very short notice but sometimes the next day. You must request these and are expected to fly them if you put in for it. Definite good deal.
* Inverse assignments at 200%. Tag your it! Can be a good deal unless your kid answers the phone on Christmas eve and says "Dads right here."
You have to fly these.Reserves: *Green-slips at straight pay above the guarantee on off days, plus you get your days off back. This can be a really good deal if your category is short. Sometimes called "Rolling Thunder." Since you get your off days back scheduling can call you again for more pay above the cap and you then get more days off. Hard to pull off and pretty rare these days but a few years ago 140 hour months for guys flying less than 70 hours were not that unusual.
All of the above except inverse assignments go out in seniority order. Inverse assignments go out reverse seniority order.
While these are mostly good, they do allow the company to get by with fewer pilots which can negatively affect upward movement.
Scoop
05-07-2013, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
DAL has a few different types of incentives to get Pilots to fly more for extra cash:
Line-holders: *Straight pick up at straight pay. A line holder can pick up any trip in open time ( with some restrictions) - from tomorrow to about a month and a half out.
* Green-slips at 200% pay. Usually very short notice but sometimes the next day. You must request these and are expected to fly them if you put in for it. Definite good deal.
* Inverse assignments at 200%. Tag your it! Can be a good deal unless your kid answers the phone on Christmas eve and says "Dads right here." You have to fly these.
Reserves: *Green-slips at straight pay above the guarantee on off days, plus you get your days off back. This can be a really good deal if your category is short. Sometimes called "Rolling Thunder." Since you get your off days back scheduling can call you again for more pay above the cap and you then get more days off. Hard to pull off and pretty rare these days but a few years ago 140 hour months for guys flying less than 70 hours were not that unusual.
All of the above except inverse assignments go out in seniority order. Inverse assignments go out reverse seniority order.
While these are mostly good, they do allow the company to get by with fewer pilots which can negatively affect upward movement.
Scoop
Line-holders: *Straight pick up at straight pay. A line holder can pick up any trip in open time ( with some restrictions) - from tomorrow to about a month and a half out.
* Green-slips at 200% pay. Usually very short notice but sometimes the next day. You must request these and are expected to fly them if you put in for it. Definite good deal.
* Inverse assignments at 200%. Tag your it! Can be a good deal unless your kid answers the phone on Christmas eve and says "Dads right here."
You have to fly these.Reserves: *Green-slips at straight pay above the guarantee on off days, plus you get your days off back. This can be a really good deal if your category is short. Sometimes called "Rolling Thunder." Since you get your off days back scheduling can call you again for more pay above the cap and you then get more days off. Hard to pull off and pretty rare these days but a few years ago 140 hour months for guys flying less than 70 hours were not that unusual.
All of the above except inverse assignments go out in seniority order. Inverse assignments go out reverse seniority order.
While these are mostly good, they do allow the company to get by with fewer pilots which can negatively affect upward movement.
Scoop
A few reasons you don't have to accept an IA:
1. Not in position to report (ie a commuter)
2. Not fit for duty (had a beer, fatigued, whatever, ...)
3. No childcare available for your kids
Those are the biggies, and with that said, I haven't heard of anyone getting nailed for an IA that didn't want it. The only exception would be a reroute tacked onto the end of a trip, where they snag you on the ramp freq or at the gate when you're getting off the last leg (also rare) - in which case you only get premium for the part of the reroute that gets you home more than 4 hours after your original checkout I think (domestic) or 24 hours (int'l).
Delta's premium pay system seems to be feast or famine and is not something you can count on. If you want to get in on the action you generally have to make yourself a de facto short call reserve - especially if you're trying to get rolling thunder going.
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