Bluedriver

Its a direct comparison to the company getting 22% more work. He seemed to understand the reference, why can't you?

marcal

Cathay Pacific

84 Hour Guarantee

84-92 hrs = 150%
92-100hrs = 250%
100+ = 350%(mega bucks if you get this high!)

We have absolutely no control over getting OT. We can pick up flying but not at these rates(in fact you may get <hourly rate due to strange trading system we have). These overtime rates are only applicable to company issued flying.

I'd say most US based guys don't see too much OT as the company tries to schedule us at 83.99 hrs/mo. A330/B777 HKG based guys apparently get a lot of OT.

alvrb211

Apparently a lot of guys accepted the position to include better benefits than they find themselves with now.

Care to explain that one?



JJ

blueballs

We will rejoice when you are off property your negativity will not be missed. If you ever get hired at Delta or United as you so desperately want I hope you will treat your peers there with more respect. You are a bigger problem at Jetblue than any shortcomings in pay or health benefits.

Sennaha

I think it's your mentality that the pilots at Jetblue should be scared of. I honestly think, that having a vocal opposition to the direction that leadership is taking the company, is a good thing. Most pilots came to Jetblue because of the good product, and believed in the business model. If taking our heads out the sand and being cognizant of our professional environment is negativity, so be it.
When someone tells you that your 8 page PEA is stronger than having a CBA, you should be wary.

F9 320

Frontier:

Very easy add drop procedures. Must finish month above 70 hrs., 75 hr. guarantee as long as you don't drop yourself below that point. All time above 82 hrs. Is at x1.25, junior assign at x1.5 ( can be incentivized by scheduling, I recently saw a DEN/SAN turn incentivized to 15 hrs. At jr. man rate! ), voluntary junior assign at x1.25 ( I've never had any issues just telling scheduling I was unable when called for a jr. assignment. )

dckozak

Fedex
Several ways you can earn 150%. 200% also possible, but like most places, very rare and more a function of circumstances. And to add more confusion to the mix, one way (I think only one ) to earn 125%.

150%
Easiest to understand. Volunteer. Caveat, pilots can also make up time (from a bank which forms from dropped flying for a variety of reasons). If we weren't such *****s, we might be able to pick up trips at 150% but most trips get picked up at 100%. The nature of the beast.
Draft, Company has no reserves or anyone who has shown interest in a trip. The company comes looking for you. Almost always a quick show, often in the field. They look for people they know (or guess by way of your area code) that live near a city with a crew down or timed out. Can be a very good deal, if your free and can drop what your doing. When a field draft, they will build you a Dead Head to the city you pick up the trip and its usually means the trip starts before you even know about it.
If a trip is extended more than 4 hours after scheduled completion, you start making 150% for that portion over 4 hours.
May be another way, someone else, better read on the contract may chime in with another way to make 150%.

200%. If your trip gets waaaaaay extended. you start making 200%.
I think you need to be in excess of 48 hours after scheduled block in. Only times I can think when bunches have made this kind of money was 9/11 and after the volcano in Europe. No doubt individual cases of broke jets in out of the way places which have generated these big paydays.

125%. Part of a contractual thing where as if your trip gets dropped or changed to the point you could go into substitution (won't even try to explain the rules there) but elect to not do so, you can pick up flying the follow month with open time usually built into VTO lines, but you get them at the premium rate.

Couple other good deals, if you want them (almost all at your option).
Vacation buy back. As the name implies, you "sell" back vacation due to a need by the company. You get the value of your vacation plus additional credit hours (could be wrong, I believe its 24 hours of pay).
Instructors and check airmen have ways but its beyond my scope of knowledge.

Thats it for Fedex. If theres another way is out there, one of our guys will correct me.

Bluedriver

So, not only did you not know we had pay and benefits below average when YOU accepted the position, but you also didn't know JB was non-union, and didn't know that in a non-union shop management can change your healthcare benefits?

Exactly how ignorant were you when you ASKED JB for a job when you applied, and how ignorant were you when you ACCEPTED the position?

Care to explain that one?

alvrb211

Who said adverse changes related only to "healthcare benefits"?


Are you admitting that JB Pilots have "put themselves" in a precarious position by remaining non-union?


I understood there were "long standing" issues with Pilot compensation. However, "I was ignorant" to the fact that Jetblue Pilots could continue to fail to understand that compensating pilots below industry average was company policy. And, absent a CBA, compensation and benefits would never resemble those of the peer set.

I'm wondering why guys like you don't just fly for fun at a local flying club where compensation and benefits aren't an issue for discussion.


Why question anying as your peers do. Just accept the job on any terms............right?



JJ

skybolt

Spirit has no premium pay.

We bargained for and received what ALPA Nat determined to be a desirable overall rate. If their bargaining goals for all ALPA pilots can be achieved (approx 185 an hour for mid senior narrowbody Capts) and all carriers can achieve that number, we should all be better off in the long run - IF all pilot groups can make gains from that level. In other words, we need to avoid the past where some companies paid far below and other paid far above; in effect we used to whipsaw ourselves and the ALPA Nat. plan was to avoid the past.