Delta CEO call for open skies in Japan
 

Delta CEO calls for open skies in Japan - Yahoo! Finance

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How dare a country protect it's own airlines and give them preferential treatment. I am pretty sure that if ATL was slot controlled and the Japanese airlines said we need more slots for expansion that Delta would be against the Japanese getting more slots. Also, who would want to fly Delta or United from Tokyo when the Asian airlines provide a far superior product.

Me.

First, I trust the Delta pilots with my life. I trust them when I send my kids out to join me skiing and they fly UM to join me on a layover.

Second, I see a value in protecting good, American jobs that pay a solid wage.

Third--I see a value in trying to keep the US the leader in all things aerospace. It helps create jobs. Having an aerospace nation means we have the people, resources, and infrastructure to prevail in combat if required. American airpower helped win WWII and has been our "force multiplier" in combat the last seventy years. A solid aerospace industry is vital to that, and our domestic airlines play a huge part in that as well.

Fourth--I've flown Delta to HKG, ATH, CDG, FRA, DXB, CGN, HNL, ANC, SCL, and a host of other cities around the globe. I've enjoyed their service, and the lie flat seats on the 777 are darn nice. The food and wine have been good. And the cabin crews were very nice.

So--I trust the pilots. I want to support the home team. I see a value in protecting and promoting American jobs at companies that ARE NOT SUBSIDIZED by their own government to create an uneven market.

I also have seen the KAL safety record. We have pictures at our company of some China Southern jets COVERED in snow that took off. We all saw the Asiana mishap over and over on TV. I'm not saying that these companies do not have some very professional crews, nor am I saying American pilots have not made mistakes too. But if you don't mind--my dollars are going to the home team, and my old military buddies, interview clients, and friends I've made along the way at Delta can plan on seeing my family there for a long time to come.

But hey...if the food is that good and that FA (that is NOT going to bang you, BTW...) is so important, enjoy your flight. I'll fly a sky team code-share when I have to, but will jumpseat on our own freighters to avoid flying on Emirates or Qatari.

If you want the rewards of our industry, you need to support OUR industry.

Agreed. If the US Government cared one iota about American business, they would protect us too. They don't other than to tax them to death. Nd as you said.... if.

And the "product" is a great reason to make these decisions.:rolleyes:

God forbid American companies should have a level playing field.

hypocrite

I am all for supporting U.S. products but not to the extent where I am using an inferior product. My experiences with customer service have been far better on the Asian and European airlines and until the U.S. airlines improve their product I will continue to choose other airlines if given the choice.

I am not trying to bang the flight attendants and yes, the food, drink, and amenities are that important when flying business class.

As far as safety, there are Asian airlines that I will not fly just like there are some U.S. airlines that I refuse to fly.

"Far superior product" as long as it does not include a visual approach, then not so much.

Then you better not ***** at all when cabotage becomes a reality. Enjoy flying the raghead airlines from LAX to JFK, and those that will be unemployed here in the USA as a result will thank you. But at least you will have "superior service". You make me sick.

Talked to a Boeing 777 IP who was in Korea "recently" on contract for Asiana. Gave the student (left seat) a 10 knot crosswind and failed whatever autopilot mode forced him to hand fly the airplane. He said after SIX laps around the pattern he finally failed the student. Turns out the student was the Chief Pilot. Said IP's Visa was revoked the next day.

I'm with Albie 100%.

Lets get back on topic, please
 

Was anyone else confused by just what Mr. Anderson is referring to?

I mean, the DOT stated they had reached an "Open Skies" deal with Japan in December 2009.

This article helps clear things up:

My understanding is that there is an open skies agreement, but the airport is still slot controlled. Similar to JFK.

The Japanese are intensely nationalistic. I'm not sure how this statement in Japan plays out. Politically, Japan is naturally imperialistic.

One aspect of their history that's particularly interesting is how they got themselves into their current level of socialism. Unlike DeToqueville's model of the people voting themselves goodies; the Japanese actually started their socialism to take the burden off men supporting their families ... so those men would more readily die in war.

Perhaps it is just me, but my experiences in business overseas have taught me that the concept of "fair" only exists on the island.

OK, let's go with that. I say we do the same thing the Japanese are. For example, instead of Japanese carriers flying all their metal into SFO, sorry guys you only get 5 slots at SFO, the rest are for OAK. Sorry, 5 JFK slots then the rest to EWR, and on and on. I bet they would get the picture or if not that's fine too. I'm sure their SFO bound business passengers won't mind the drive from OAK. GMAB. Why do we allow ourselves to be treated this way? I guess the lack of a National Airline Policy supported by our gov't??

Agree!.....

AUPILOT,

Bottom line is that Delta, Ual, and Fdx(via Nwa, Pan am, and Flying Tigers) have special rights from post WW2. Unfair as it may seem, it's what happens when you start and lose a war. Tough ****! The NWA routes were ALL at HND until NRT opened and forced all international flights there. I think all Mr. Anderson is saying is, we'd like our old slots back, domo arigato! The Japanese want to change the game now. If we had a government that gave 2 ****s about our airlines or its employees they would play hardball and give the Japanese airlines notice that their landing slots are invalid in 30 days. There is another angle at play here too. Don't dismiss the fact that UAL and AA with their ANA and JAL JVs are probably lobbying behind/around the A4A and Delta to torpedo our operation. As things stand now that is the only thing they can do to slow Delta's operation pulling away from them. UAL is a cluster, and AA+LCC is going to be worse.

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Bingo, now we're getting somewhere.

+1 on what Albie said.

This is the same logic the results in otherwise intelligent people buying a run out POS corporate aircraft because it has new paint and interior. If I have to make a choice, I prefer a crew with airmanship skills somewhere North of those possessed by the average chimp - but that's just me.

This^^^^^^^ Guys like aupilot just don't get it.

And it shouldn't just be the Japoanese carriers either. If I were king, Britich Airways would be flying into PHL only until they opened up LHR. But nooooooo they fly into SEA,SFO,LAX,MCO,ATL,JFK,EWR,ORD..... and we got... how many slots in LHR again? (And DAL is number 2 with the VA agreement... a distant second.... I have no idea how many UAL has, but I;ll bet it ain't many.)

The elder statesmen of our current government Administration were proud of their work to deregulate the airline industry in the United States. Could it be the only thing that gets their one trick pony excited is deregulation, without regard for American workers?

The pols see deregulation as a consumer success. Air travel is cheap.

Great post.

A friend who is a Delta pilot, built his time up prior to Skywest at one of the Asian pilot factories. They can recite checklists word-for-word really well and that's about it. Can you imagine in a few years when they're deeper into a pilot shortage and none of our quality pilots are going over there because American and Delta are hiring like crazy.

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Asiana 214 was a far superior product??? :confused:

Wow.

I'm pretty sure Delta has killed more people than Asiana. :confused:

Always amazes me when pilots look down on their peers for their mistakes. We don't hear of too many of them landing heavies on taxiways at their home fields. I saw a red, white, and blue MD with a widget on the tail stuck in the mud in DC not too long ago. Should I continue?

Delta Air Lines founded 1928

Asiana Airlines founded 1988

Seeing as how Delta has been in existence for 60 years MORE then Asiana & was a pioneer in the airline industry, there is a chance more people have perished on Delta.

But you'd have to provide numbers to prove it. And total fatalities doesn't tell the entire story.

Here's something to help get you started. Notice who number 2 & 3 on the least fatalities for US operators list are. In the top 5 if mixed in with foreign operators.

Which Airplanes and Airlines are the Safest? : The Consumer Warning Network

Stuck in the mud? The horror! :D

BTW, it should be known that when the FAA flew the same approach under the same conditions that the B767 encountered at KATL, they too lined up and went straight for the taxiway.

No one is infallible. That's what makes us human. But the USA is far ahead of Asia in the fields of CRM and safety. The statistics show that's undeniable.

C'mon Johnso. You guys dodged a nuclear tip harpoon on that one and don't try to diminish it because some FAA types did it in the sim too. There was a Delta jet that hit a seawall in Boston killing almost all aboard that I remember reading about. (I'm a big believer in studying past accidents to prevent future ones.) Again, I don't think we here have a leg to stand on when looking down our noses at others with respect to accidents. We may however be a little more critical of them and their culture when it comes to accountability. A cactus friend of mine told me over drinks and catching up that they were blaming their low approach on bright lights in their eyes. Hmmmm. . .

Lots of airlines have dodged nuclear tip harpoons that we haven't heard about. It happens. CAL landed a 757 on a much smaller taxiway in EWR. Shuttle America dodged a nuclear tip harpoon when they ran off the end of 10/28 in CLE. They didn't stop that short of the ravine.

As I said earlier, none of us are infallible. But statistics are undeniable, & they certainly prove that the USA is far ahead WRT CRM.

That accident was in 1973! :eek: We're talking about Asiana and lagging behind in CRM, and you bring up an accident that happened before CRM was even developed and taught anywhere in the world.

It was my understanding that the FAA guys lined up in a real airplane, not in the sim. That was one of a number of reasons why the guys that did it got off with minimal consequences.

You guys win. I bow humbly before the mighty widget. :rolleyes:

I wasn't. I was responding to a Delta guy putting down the Asiana guys. Different conversation.

You were comparing an accident before CRM was taught to an accident after it has been worldwide adopted and tried and tried again to be taught to asian carriers. I know you just really wanted to go after the meanie head Delta guy, but you chose poorly on accident comparison.

YOU are the one turning this into a Delta pilot issue.

I do come across that way here don't I? My apologies. I love your airline. I used Delta as an example because it was you who seems to be looking down at Asiana. The widget comment was just humor which seldom comes across well on forums.

Good for you j. The point is that your comment about 214 was a cheap shot. Personally, no amount of time negates the fact that a life was lost. Get over your superiority complex.

Thank you for the education about the safest airlines. I think I'll ride SWA next time as they are obviously more safe than delta. :cool:

I don't have a superiority complex. I simply provided numbers to refute your claim. Feel free to ride whomever you wish. It's a free market. :)

No worries. I'm personally not looking down on anyone. But their were posts made by people other then me. Asiana 214 could be anyone of us one day. I actually feel bad for the guys. It must've been terrifying going through that in a foreign country. My original point was only that US airlines are far ahead in the field of CRM. I'm very happy that there were so few fatalities from the Asiana accident. I just hope that we can all learn from it, and apply what we learn. Me included.

I apologize for my earlier comment.

Cheers