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08-05-2013 | 07:36 AM

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ForeverFO

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I've never been told "don't do S turns" - but it probably depends on the altitude. With the justifiably intense focus these days on stabilized approaches, I can easily see someone objecting to any sort of deviation whatsoever below 1000' AFL.

08-05-2013 | 01:07 PM

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IMO stable approach pertains to airspeed and descent rate. Appropriate banking for spacing or a curved approach (like at DCA) is stable.

08-05-2013 | 01:19 PM

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IMO stable approach pertains to airspeed and descent rate. Appropriate banking for spacing or a curved approach (like at DCA) is stable.

Some airlines have bank angle and alignment requirements. No banks greater than 15° below 1000' must be within 30° of runway centerline.

08-05-2013 | 01:40 PM

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Some airlines have bank angle and alignment requirements. No banks greater than 15° below 1000' must be within 30° of runway centerline.

In addition to the normal stabilized approach criteria, Delta requires you to be lined up with the runway centerline by 500' agl.

08-05-2013 | 01:47 PM

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In addition to the normal stabilized approach criteria, Delta requires you to be lined up with the runway centerline by 500' agl.

Does your manual give relief for airports like DCA?

08-05-2013 | 01:56 PM

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You know, 'cause god forbid you let the pilots do any actual FLYING of the airplanes. Can't have that. Just sit nicely and watch the computers do it.

08-05-2013 | 02:57 PM

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Does your manual give relief for airports like DCA?

Yes, there is some language that basically states you must be aligned with the runway centerline by 500', unless the specific approach procedures require otherwise (DCA RV 19, LGA expressway visual, etc...)

08-05-2013 | 03:46 PM

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In addition to the normal stabilized approach criteria, Delta requires you to be lined up with the runway centerline by 500' agl.

Agreed. If you're doing S turns at 500 feet you're going around. BTW, thanks SEA tower last week for giving us a sidestep at 1200' and then sending us around at midnight....c'mon.

08-05-2013 | 04:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Harley

In addition to the normal stabilized approach criteria, Delta requires you to be lined up with the runway centerline by 500' agl.

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Originally Posted by Centra

Does your manual give relief for airports like DCA?

It has to. For example, the Expressway Visual 31 @ LGA

08-06-2013 | 06:52 AM

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You know, 'cause god forbid you let the pilots do any actual FLYING of the airplanes. Can't have that. Just sit nicely and watch the computers do it.

You lost me a bit - my point was, depending upon conditions, I can see a crew declining S-turns. That is their prerogative.

We haven't had any specific guidance, like "No s-turns below 1,500'" or anything similar.