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02-24-2017, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetalc
I appreciate your summary, but when a contract is signed under duress, the courts don't look favorably on the party presenting the contract. What is the timing of the signing of the contract? Just an idea...
02-24-2017, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by OHPilot213
Exactly. Day one of ground school they say sign this or you're fired.
02-24-2017, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Patternholder
Don't they disclose this before you accept employment at Frontier? If so, I would say the "signed under duress" argument doesnt hold water. Plan on paying what you owe if you leave before the terms of the agreement.
02-24-2017, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Patternholder
Don't they disclose this before you accept employment at Frontier? If so, I would say the "signed under duress" argument doesnt hold water. Plan on paying what you owe if you leave before the terms of the agreement.
Maybe that was just my class, but just saying.
02-24-2017, 05:59 PM
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Regardless of whether its enforceable or not, it's an embarrassing red flag... regionals say, come here and we'll pay to keep you here... we say, come here and you have to pay to leave... I actually got excited when I heard a dozen people left in January... good for them... they could change nothing in the contract and double our pay and still print money... I don't even think it's about the money... it's about the power and ability to say f you
02-24-2017, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by NWSteeringArmer
Regardless of whether its enforceable or not, it's an embarrassing red flag... regionals say, come here and we'll pay to keep you here... we say, come here and you have to pay to leave... I actually got excited when I heard a dozen people left in January... good for them... they could change nothing in the contract and double our pay and still print money... I don't even think it's about the money... it's about the power and ability to say f you
02-24-2017, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by NWSteeringArmer
Regardless of whether its enforceable or not, it's an embarrassing red flag... regionals say, come here and we'll pay to keep you here... we say, come here and you have to pay to leave... I actually got excited when I heard a dozen people left in January... good for them... they could change nothing in the contract and double our pay and still print money... I don't even think it's about the money... it's about the power and ability to say f you
15 years ago they were saying line up so we can **** down your throats for 12k a year.
Don't like it today? Don't worry it will change.
There's a number of guys at Frontier that came when their legacy laid them off the last time, and they've stayed.
Frontiers not the first to have a training contract.
Welcome to the industry.
02-24-2017, 06:58 PM
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I understand frontier isn't the first to have a training contract... I'm just saying that no one else I know of in the US has one right now and that's because hiring is prosperous everywhere... there isn't an interview anywhere else where they say, "what if xyz airline calls."... they know it's a damaged product and they had to come up with a ridiculous fail safe to recoup their losses... I've seen management here step over a dollar to pick up a nickel... and numerous times... I will admit they have done a better job pre cancelling flights and getting people hotels and notifications since that epic meltdown, but that's also something that never should have occurred in the first place...
02-24-2017, 07:04 PM
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And I generally have a really good attitude and I enjoy working here, but the greed and mismanagement is absolutely maddening sometimes...
I understand that this will change and we'll get our TA and put this behind us, but that only happens when A) enough people get hired somewhere else and they can't staff the flying or B) the mediator gets fed up w the company and releases us...
I know people used to love this place like it was one of their kids and I want to see that pride return to everyone who works here
I understand that this will change and we'll get our TA and put this behind us, but that only happens when A) enough people get hired somewhere else and they can't staff the flying or B) the mediator gets fed up w the company and releases us...
I know people used to love this place like it was one of their kids and I want to see that pride return to everyone who works here
02-25-2017, 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by NWSteeringArmer
And I generally have a really good attitude and I enjoy working here, but the greed and mismanagement is absolutely maddening sometimes...
I understand that this will change and we'll get our TA and put this behind us, but that only happens when A) enough people get hired somewhere else and they can't staff the flying or B) the mediator gets fed up w the company and releases us...
I know people used to love this place like it was one of their kids and I want to see that pride return to everyone who works here
I understand that this will change and we'll get our TA and put this behind us, but that only happens when A) enough people get hired somewhere else and they can't staff the flying or B) the mediator gets fed up w the company and releases us...
I know people used to love this place like it was one of their kids and I want to see that pride return to everyone who works here
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