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Old 12-04-2006, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by furloughman View Post
It's funny how the LLCs (Jet blue Southwest etc) that did most of the damage to the industry now wants to fly past age sixty. If theese guys had any self respect, they would not have taken jobs that don't pay enough to sustain a decent retirement.
How is someone working for a LCC funny? Last I researched SWA and JB they are both legal / respectable places to work. Unless I'm missing something a self-respecting man earns an honest wage for an days work. Pilots at both SWA and JB are doing that. I would happily work there or at any 121 carrier (except GoJets, Mesa)in the US.

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Old 12-04-2006, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by furloughman View Post
It's funny how the LLCs (Jet blue Southwest etc) that did most of the damage to the industry now wants to fly past age sixty. If theese guys had any self respect, they would not have taken jobs that don't pay enough to sustain a decent retirement.
The problem is the "Vocal Minority". They make all the noise. And it works. I dont see hundreds or thousands of young or older pilots going to Washington to keep the rule the same. This hurts us. The FAA and Congress actually believe that Pilots want this changed.

And wasn't Jetblue Jerkoffs the one's who wanted a waiver from the FAR's so they could fly over 8 hours a day. What idiots.
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Old 12-04-2006, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Nashmd11 View Post
The problem is the "Vocal Minority". They make all the noise. And it works. I dont see hundreds or thousands of young or older pilots going to Washington to keep the rule the same. This hurts us. The FAA and Congress actually believe that Pilots want this changed.

And wasn't Jetblue Jerkoffs the one's who wanted a waiver from the FAR's so they could fly over 8 hours a day. What idiots.
Vocal Minority... I kinda like that term. I'd like to ask what a LLC airline really is. What rules do they operate under that are different from others? You can still buy stock ect in them. What's different. Southwest has managed to do something others haven't. Make money every year. That's not bad for business.
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Old 12-05-2006, 12:05 AM
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And wasn't Jetblue Jerkoffs the one's who wanted a waiver from the FAR's so they could fly over 8 hours a day. What idiots.
Ya know that two AF pilots can fly 16-18 hours in one day? Throw one more pilot in and we can go for 24-26 hours. Better not let those guys at JB hear about that or maybe you'll actually have to work a little harder... Get real!
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Old 12-05-2006, 12:27 AM
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Some panelists didn't endorse either view in the report, including the co-chairs, Jim May, president of the Air Transport Association airline industry trade group and Duane Woerth, president of the Airline Pilots Association. Both men declined to comment through their spokesmen.
Even though Duane Worth represents ALPA, which the majority of the membership says KEEP age 60, has nothing to say. Why am I not surprised?

It looks like there will be Continuing Resolutions passed to fund the government until the next Congress instead of the appropriation bill that age 65 is attached to. When Congress adjourns all outstanding bills die - age 65 included. Someone will have to reintroduce the bill in the next Congress.

Duane Worthless is supposed to represent the views of the majority of ALPA whether he is a lame duck or not. His neutral stance is not what the majority of ALPA told him they wanted. It's a good thing he's history.
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Old 12-05-2006, 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Spanky189 View Post
Ya know that two AF pilots can fly 16-18 hours in one day? Throw one more pilot in and we can go for 24-26 hours. Better not let those guys at JB hear about that or maybe you'll actually have to work a little harder... Get real!
Apples and oranges. You're talking single sortie vs multiple flights (with requisite terminal delays).
It's been a few years since I flew with the AF, but in order for us to fly 24 hrs, it required two pilot augmentees and a pretty big waiver; no lower than WG/CC, IIRC. And that's in the RC-135 on JCS tasked missions.
Your example does NOT apply to the average AF sortie, nor does it apply to the majority of AF pilots.


Having flown several 15+ hour sorties in the Rivet Joint, I can personally attest to how tough it is on the body. What's your longest sortie and how much of a basket case were you after you landed?
I can remember one KOFF-OERY sortie which was mx delayed for ~6 hrs. After we landed, our crew went to our hooch in Eskan. I woke up 26 hours after falling asleep & thought that the rest of the crew had woken up and gone back to sleep. Wrong! I was the first one who woke up. Yeah, that's real good for the body.
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Old 12-05-2006, 04:47 AM
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[quote=Spanky189;88611]Ya know that two AF pilots can fly 16-18 hours in one day? Throw one more pilot in and we can go for 24-26 hours.

Yeah, it sux!
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Originally Posted by Nashmd11 View Post
Wrong! One's A- plan will be penalized significantly if you opt out early. This is common knowledge. The annuity is reduced for each year you retire early.
There are only 2 A plans left in the airline business: American and Alaska. Making national policy based on the retirement programs of two carriers is a bad idea.
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Old 12-05-2006, 06:01 AM
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I am kinda shocked on a couple of points. One is that Worthless didn't say anything or endorse any option. I guess the name fits.

I am glad they said not to make it retroactive. We've got a bunch of ROPES in the back of the DC10. I guess those guys now will make a quick getaway.

I am also surprised no other recommendations were made and that really nothing was done either way. What a waste of time and money.
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Old 12-05-2006, 06:16 AM
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There are only 2 A plans left in the airline business: American and Alaska. Making national policy based on the retirement programs of two carriers is a bad idea.
What, the FDX and UPS A-plans are fakes? This makes 4. And more A-plans may come back in the next 10-20 years. You never know.
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