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SkylineAviation 08-27-2013 09:58 AM

JBLU & AAMRQ or LCC?
 
Interesting article published today. I'm not speculating just sharing the info.

[URL="http:www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-26/jetblue-takeover-appeal-grows-amid-amr-limbo-real-m-a.html"]

CanoePilot 08-27-2013 10:09 AM

if the doj doesn't let aa and lcc merge there is no way in hell they let AA and jetblu merge.

Also why would aa want jetblue? Other than JFK jeblue doesn't offer anything aa doesn't already have. But I stiill think my first point stands, if aa and us can't merge I highly doubt they would let AA take out the LCC competition in NYC and get >60% of all jfk slots.

If this merger fails that's the end of merger mania in the airlines till the next round of chpt 11.

Flyby1206 08-27-2013 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by CanoePilot (Post 1471237)
if the doj doesn't let aa and lcc merge there is no way in hell they let AA and jetblu merge.

Also why would aa want jetblue? Other than JFK jeblue doesn't offer anything aa doesn't already have. But I stiill think my first point stands, if aa and us can't merge I highly doubt they would let AA take out the LCC competition in NYC and get >60% of all jfk slots.

If this merger fails that's the end of merger mania in the airlines till the next round of chpt 11.

UAL has 70+% of EWR. Looking at NYC as a whole (JFK/EWR/LGA) then a combined AA/jetblue would put each of the big 3 at between 23-26% passenger share, which is a very level playing field.

It will all hinge on how the DoJ makes their argument. If they make the case that US is a low cost carrier and that is why AA can't merge with them then I agree that Jetblue/AA won't happen either for the same reason.

If the case is made that US/AA reduces competition for 1-stop itineraries then the door could be open for AA/jetblue.

Either argument is weak in my opinion, and AA/US will get the merger to go through.

CanoePilot 08-27-2013 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 1471241)
UAL has 70+% of EWR. Looking at NYC as a whole (JFK/EWR/LGA) then a combined AA/jetblue would put each of the big 3 at between 23-26% passenger share, which is a very level playing field.

It will all hinge on how the DoJ makes their argument. If they make the case that US is a low cost carrier and that is why AA can't merge with them then I agree that Jetblue/AA won't happen either for the same reason.

If the case is made that US/AA reduces competition for 1-stop itineraries then the door could be open for AA/jetblue.

Either argument is weak in my opinion, and AA/US will get the merger to go through.

The DOJ's argument is that the UA merger was a mistake and they don't want to let another happen.

They made both arguments in the complaint they filed. I think if they are successful then no more mergers allowed other than a few low cost carriers merging with each other.

Mink 08-27-2013 01:12 PM

If the AA/US merger falls through, does AA have the cash to pursue another dance partner in JB? I doubt it. The only winners in this mess are the lawyers.

Flyby1206 08-27-2013 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by Mink (Post 1471395)
If the AA/US merger falls through, does AA have the cash to pursue another dance partner in JB? I doubt it. The only winners in this mess are the lawyers.

All stock deals are most common, unless it was going to be hostile. After AA gets out of BK they can issue stock to fund the merger.

Martin404 08-27-2013 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by CanoePilot (Post 1471237)
if the doj doesn't let aa and lcc merge there is no way in hell they let AA and jetblu merge.

Also why would aa want jetblue? Other than JFK jeblue doesn't offer anything aa doesn't already have. But I stiill think my first point stands, if aa and us can't merge I highly doubt they would let AA take out the LCC competition in NYC and get >60% of all jfk slots.

If this merger fails that's the end of merger mania in the airlines till the next round of chpt 11.


B6 can be broken up very easily. No language in pilots PEA as to fragmentation.

Martin404 08-27-2013 03:15 PM

Oh yes, and......

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