Carl Spackler

Welcome back brudda!

Carl

hitimefurl

He didn't have much time for me and I didn't think to ask him if he was in support of the recall meeting. I got the idea that with all but 2 of the reps asking for the meeting that pretty much the entire MEC was on board? He made it sound as if all the voting reps wanted a meeting. The chairman can hire and fire guys and I don't really care. That looks like it's in policy. It did sound strange to me that he would fire four guys without having told the MEC and without having replacements in place unless it was some kind of emergency. That's what makes me wonder. I looked through the policy manual and it says he can fire guys and doesn't need to tell the MEC until the next meeting which is in November? Are these committees so critical they need immediate replacement? I think strategic planning may be a biggie. He didn't tell me what type of meetings were cancelled other than meetings with the company. Sounds like you know more than we all do so do dish...

DAL 88 Driver

Thanks, Carl. Hope you are doing well!

I'm not really "back" per se. I just got the email about the recalls tonight and thought maybe that would be being discussed here. Glad to see recalls but was hoping for more of a change in direction along the lines of a restorative objective. Sounds like it's just more typical DALPA insider politics. I have no interest in that.

Glad to see you're still here fighting the good fight. Take care, buddy!

Bucking Bar

If true, then the MEC Chairman had to take action, or resign. If he resigns, would that action have been in response to a demand from an unelected Administrator? If so, the Chairman ostensibly is respecting the democratic direction of our bottom up organizational structure.

However it works out, people need to be able to work together. Putting all four up helps put this back in the hands of the Reps we elected; who are accountable to us.

80ktsClamp

I like your logic, and I like the idea of wiping all 4 out or none at all. That way it's not a personal issue but more of an identifying underlying faults deal.



And this is also why I want our policy to change to voting for committee leads....

hitimefurl

Intriguing. If I am to believe free lunch boy then 4 pilots needed fired at once and for some reason that required such a broad cut of the blade. If they were elected by the MEC how would the MEC be told of the issues and how would they act that quickly and decisively? Either way it looks like a special meeting to recall a potentially rogue chairman or recall 4 elected chairman. The process doesn't look much different to me. With elected chairman it seems like the MEC chairman has no power when he is actually an exoficio member of the negotiating committee and all other committees. At this point I'm finding it hard to believe 4 chairman could possibly have all done something wrong together without anyone knowing. It's also strange that the same people on here that didn't like King calling DPA members a scourge now are interested in saying that he is responsible for some kind of political action inside the MEC. If this is just internal MEC politics then I don't really need to know much more and I agree with Bar. There is a system and it works. The reps look like they are taking care of business and in policy.

80ktsClamp

Maybe it was the long Central American turn I had today plus a commute, but... what? I've read this jumble of sentences 3 times and still can't make heads or tails of a point.

hitimefurl

Either way we have a recall meeting.
A. Recall MEC Chairman (and others?)
B. Recall committee chairman

I don't see one as being better than the other. I can't see how having every single committee chairman being elected by the MEC makes this issue go away. 1 rogue MEC Chairman = recall meeting. 4 bad committee chairman = recall meeting. Either way the same thing is happening and it doesn't look like it really matters unless it messes up FAR 117 or the JV with Virgin or whatever else is going on. I like the idea of the boss (MEC Chair) directing the workers (committees) and the MEC tells the boss what to do. The other way seems a little F'd up.

hitimefurl

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the OPs seem to imply there's and old regime and new regime here and some kind of internal politiks between "sides" Wasn't King on the the last admin and the previous admin and the previous admin and the previous admin back to sometime in early 2000's? Chameleon or contrarian?

Bucking Bar

Hitmefurl,

You might be overcomplicating things a bit. I don't think anyone went "rogue." There are simply different ideas on how to manage.

Recall that with Glasnost came Perestroika.