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tone 11-12-2013 11:05 AM
Originally Posted by Stetson29 (Post 1518421)
The settlement wil result in the new American operating 44 fewer DCA daily departures than the 290 that American and US Airways currently operate. At LGA, 12 fewer daily departures than the approximately 175 collectively operated today.
Included are eight DCA slot pairs that American currently leases to JetBlue and five LGA slot pairs that American leases to Southwest.
Anyone have any insight on how many AA pilots will be based in New York (as a combined airline) , and taking into effect the slots that are being givin up, and how many AA pilots are based in New York now as a standalone airline before the merger.

ShyGuy 11-12-2013 11:12 AM
Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1518327)
It'll be interesting to see what sort of divestitures had to happen to get this through and which airlines will be the beneficiaries of those divestitures.

So...what's the next consolidation scenario?
Now that the legacies have consolidated to just three, that's it at the legacy level. The DOJ will not allow any combination of Delta/AA/United to merge. Next up will be the LCC/Major level consolidation to ensure long term success. VX has to IPO first and once done I would imagine within 5 years that JetBlue and Virgin America will merge. Maybe call it virginBlue or something. With Frontier's new Indigo owners who are ex-Spirit and with Frontier being turned into a ULCC airline, I would say that Frontier and Spirit will merge. I wouldn't rule out Hawaiina/Alaska either, that could be a merger as well.

ShyGuy 11-12-2013 11:16 AM
So with all these divestures of LGA and DCA flying, what does that mean for the combined pilot group of nearly 15,000 pilots? I think the writing is on the wall for the airline being "overstaffed" once the merger is done and the slots divested, despite the retirements (which don't begin in large numbers until 5 years from now).

texaspilot76 11-12-2013 11:52 AM
Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1518512)
So with all these divestures of LGA and DCA flying, what does that mean for the combined pilot group of nearly 15,000 pilots? I think the writing is on the wall for the airline being "overstaffed" once the merger is done and the slots divested, despite the retirements (which don't begin in large numbers until 5 years from now).
Those slots are just a p*ss in the pot for the whole operation. It's about as miniscule as taking one grain of sand out of an entire pail full. The will reallocate those resources to other hubs most likely anyway.

ackattacker 11-12-2013 11:58 AM
According to the ToHo/Parker memo, most of the routes we have to divest will be RJ routes. I've suspected for a while that we were basically just banking some of those slots as bargaining chips, sending RJ's out to who cares destinations. The consolidation might slow hiring somewhat but I'd expect it to continue.

KiloAlpha 11-12-2013 12:02 PM
Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 1518540)
Those slots are just a p*ss in the pot for the whole operation. It's about as miniscule as taking one grain of sand out of an entire pail full. The will reallocate those resources to other hubs most likely anyway.
Or axe the 50 seaters when the contracts are up. AWAC comes to mind.

RAH's operation will hopefully be downsized as well.

JoeyMeatballs 11-12-2013 12:35 PM
Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1518512)
So with all these divestures of LGA and DCA flying, what does that mean for the combined pilot group of nearly 15,000 pilots? I think the writing is on the wall for the airline being "overstaffed" once the merger is done and the slots divested, despite the retirements (which don't begin in large numbers until 5 years from now).
dont be so negative. This is great news for both pilot groups.

TenYearsGone 11-12-2013 12:50 PM
Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1518512)
So with all these divestures of LGA and DCA flying, what does that mean for the combined pilot group of nearly 15,000 pilots? I think the writing is on the wall for the airline being "overstaffed" once the merger is done and the slots divested, despite the retirements (which don't begin in large numbers until 5 years from now).
Shyguy,

Worry about your own airline. The writing is on the wall.:)

TEN

UNDPilot 11-12-2013 12:57 PM
Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1518512)
(which don't begin in large numbers until 5 years from now).
1/3 of the East list is gone in under 5 years. I would consider this a significant amount.

CaptainBigWood 11-12-2013 03:58 PM
About 350 retire age 65 2014 combined USAirways and AA.
Another 350 2015.


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