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tsquare 11-24-2013 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by Climbto450 (Post 1527216)
We at B6 are worried about this as both Delta and AA have stated that hiring B6 pilots should be included. If they intentionally poach B6 pilots we could be parking newly delivered airplanes.


How could they "intentionally poach" B6 pilots? If DAL and AA need pilots, and they advertise such, and B6 pilots happen to leave for a better pay and benefits, how can that be considered "poaching"? I really don't think DAL is going directly to B6 pilots with job offers...

scambo1 11-25-2013 03:58 AM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 1527086)

Can someone call in a hawg to strafe that line?

Timbo 11-25-2013 04:56 AM

Wow, that's a lot of beer cans!

Next time you see Leo or Fred non-reving, be sure to thank them for buying 500 of those and runnning up our debt.

What was it Leo used to tell us?


"Those RJ's are Self Financing."

Riiiiight.

PosRate 11-25-2013 05:02 AM

My $0.02 here. We will not see much of a shortage of pilots simply because regionals and majors alike will have to cut capacity when they can't staff their routes. The majors will suffer from a lack of regional feed and won't fill all their routes to capacity. The problem will take care of itself. Supply and demand works in reverse in this industry which is clearly reactive instead of proactive.

Climbto450 11-25-2013 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1527548)
How could they "intentionally poach" B6 pilots? If DAL and AA need pilots, and they advertise such, and B6 pilots happen to leave for a better pay and benefits, how can that be considered "poaching"? I really don't think DAL is going directly to B6 pilots with job offers...

I have seen literature from AA and Delta that says otherwise. Management at B6 is worried about it as it could cripple the companies growth plans. I didn't believe it either until I saw the literature. I know that you can't always believe what you read but why would B6 be worried if it wasn't.

Flamer 11-25-2013 05:18 AM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 1527086)

Let's count these. 4, 8, 3, 3, 3.......well, let's just say it's a bunch.

tsquare 11-25-2013 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by Climbto450 (Post 1527694)
I have seen literature from AA and Delta that says otherwise. Management at B6 is worried about it as it could cripple the companies growth plans. I didn't believe it either until I saw the literature. I know that you can't always believe what you read but why would B6 be worried if it wasn't.


There's still a difference between recruiting and poaching. If I were in charge of hiring, I would probably send out literature too. You have proven trainable pilots in one place.

Tennessee let Vanderbilt drive 92 yards in the last 2 minutes of the game Saturday. Whose fault is it? Vandy's? nope. Same song, different key.

Climbto450 11-26-2013 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1527746)
There's still a difference between recruiting and poaching. If I were in charge of hiring, I would probably send out literature too. You have proven trainable pilots in one place.

Tennessee let Vanderbilt drive 92 yards in the last 2 minutes of the game Saturday. Whose fault is it? Vandy's? nope. Same song, different key.

You bring up a great point. It is up to B6 to keep their pilots even if the majors are going to target B6 pilots.

gloopy 11-26-2013 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 1527072)
Easy, poach your competitor's feeder partners and make them unable to man their operation.

I doubt anyone cares about that strategy. The instant its implemented, it immediately cancels itself out. Absolutely worthless from a strategic point of view. Poaching (so called) LCC pilots, OTOH, is a very viable tactical business move. If done enough, it will drive up their costs far in excess of the paltry reduction in an already relatively low longevity curve as well as stick a thumbtack in the running shoe of their endless growth models.

BizPilot 11-26-2013 01:45 PM

But, But, But there is NO shortage of pilots.

Right?


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