ALPA National Restoration Strategy
#21
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#24
150 rides per year at $10 per ride equals $1,500 total.
150 days per year at $10 per day equals $1,500 total.
150 nights per year at $100 per night equals $15,000 total.
That's about $38,000 extra added to our reported income. So again, lets compare incomes of these guys that make $860,000 plus and $1,006,000 plus. Even if they traveled like airline pilots, it would take their comparative income down to $968,000 and 768,000 respectively.
Carl
#25
You seem a bit confused. Here's shiznit's claim:
The airlines I listed aren't here any more. Shiznit said ALPA's job is to ensure pilots have a job to show up for.
You need to do a better job of deflection johnso.
Carl
The airlines I listed aren't here any more. Shiznit said ALPA's job is to ensure pilots have a job to show up for.
You need to do a better job of deflection johnso.
Carl
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Yes I witnessed the dysfunction of ALPA several times. That said it is critical that every pilot remain engaged and not become jaded to the process. Your local MEC has to have the stones to disagree with ALPA national and say no.
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I'm on the outside looking in. The above comment is spot on based on previous experience at two ALPA carriers. It's my opinion that Delta going in house weakens the entire profession which will eventually have an impact on the pilots at a Delta Airlines.
Yes I witnessed the dysfunction of ALPA several times. That said it is critical that every pilot remain engaged and not become jaded to the process. Your local MEC has to have the stones to disagree with ALPA national and say no.
Yes I witnessed the dysfunction of ALPA several times. That said it is critical that every pilot remain engaged and not become jaded to the process. Your local MEC has to have the stones to disagree with ALPA national and say no.
#28
Back on topic- Capt. Moak's strategy.
He sent an email to the Eagle Pilots several months back basically stating that Legacy pilots had taken pay cuts ten years ago while regional pilots generally hadn't, and that AMR's asking for cuts now isn't necessarily out of line. Spread the love, you know...
I guess he hasn't been reading USAToday et al re: IMPENDING PILOT SHORTAGE!
He needs to start spreading the message that low airfares and Airline Mgt. have now made this occupation (not career) so undesirable that no one wants in, and the only way to stop it is better pay and work rules.
He sent an email to the Eagle Pilots several months back basically stating that Legacy pilots had taken pay cuts ten years ago while regional pilots generally hadn't, and that AMR's asking for cuts now isn't necessarily out of line. Spread the love, you know...
I guess he hasn't been reading USAToday et al re: IMPENDING PILOT SHORTAGE!
He needs to start spreading the message that low airfares and Airline Mgt. have now made this occupation (not career) so undesirable that no one wants in, and the only way to stop it is better pay and work rules.
#29
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Success is built on leadership and goals.
I have asked Captain Moak repeatedly to list and share his top 10 goals. We should be able to stop any fellow ALPA pilots and ask them what are our top 10 ALPA National goes and have them list them. That is leadership.
Captain Moak does talk of issues that are important to us. The problem is they are at the top of management's list. He is simply working for Richard Anderson. His attempt to force the Eagle pilots into concessions when there are no pilots is a perfect expample. Another is his lack of any effort to restore our contracts.
There is no difference between ALPA and management.
I have asked Captain Moak repeatedly to list and share his top 10 goals. We should be able to stop any fellow ALPA pilots and ask them what are our top 10 ALPA National goes and have them list them. That is leadership.
Captain Moak does talk of issues that are important to us. The problem is they are at the top of management's list. He is simply working for Richard Anderson. His attempt to force the Eagle pilots into concessions when there are no pilots is a perfect expample. Another is his lack of any effort to restore our contracts.
There is no difference between ALPA and management.
#30
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What exactly is Captain Moak's strategy for restoration of our bankruptcy contracts and food stamp first officer regional pay?
At Delta our three top executives got pay increases over 40% on their non bankruptcy pay.
And the Delta pilots?
January 1st, 2014 a 3% increase on our bankruptcy pay. Coupled with a 33% reduction in profit sharing and increased health care costs.
Is that a raise or a pay cut?
Has Captain Moak ever uttered a word about restoration? Has he ever mentioned the record profits? The dividends? The stock buy back?
With no accounting for inflation we still make far less than the pay rates that are a decade old.
What is a union for?
How is Captain Moak's pay?
How is his pension?
They are golden. He is very adept at taking care of himself.
How does he look in the mirror when he signs deals where regional first officers flying $20 million dollar jets are making $20,000 a year?
The emperor truly has no clothes.
But he does have is hat.
At Delta our three top executives got pay increases over 40% on their non bankruptcy pay.
And the Delta pilots?
January 1st, 2014 a 3% increase on our bankruptcy pay. Coupled with a 33% reduction in profit sharing and increased health care costs.
Is that a raise or a pay cut?
Has Captain Moak ever uttered a word about restoration? Has he ever mentioned the record profits? The dividends? The stock buy back?
With no accounting for inflation we still make far less than the pay rates that are a decade old.
What is a union for?
How is Captain Moak's pay?
How is his pension?
They are golden. He is very adept at taking care of himself.
How does he look in the mirror when he signs deals where regional first officers flying $20 million dollar jets are making $20,000 a year?
The emperor truly has no clothes.
But he does have is hat.
Promises and innuendo are the cheapest bargaining chips because they cost very little and are rarely held to be accountable.
ALPA may endorse these POS regional contracts, but ultimately we, the pilots, are the ones who need to stop passing them.
Last edited by DeadHead; 11-30-2013 at 05:46 AM.
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