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Old 03-24-2014, 12:34 PM   #101  
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Could have a union problem at AA/UsAir too. Always union drama.

American responds in pilots union dispute over seniority | American Airlines | American ...
Perfect example if that were us dave barger and rob mauster would be negotiating yours and mine seniority integration. Are you willing to put your future in the hands of airline execs who have no skin in the game and will be cashing out millions the second the deal is done. Or your fellow pilots who have just as much invested negotiating for you. The choice will be yours starting tomorrow.
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Old 03-24-2014, 12:37 PM   #102  
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Could have a union problem at AA/UsAir too. Always union drama.

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And we have a crap load of DR drama!
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Old 03-24-2014, 01:00 PM   #103  
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-=-= Outsider here. So don't kill me. I'm just curious here. =-=-

Why would you want to unionize? Why be tied to the Railways Labor Act restrictions?

1. You can't strike (yes, technically you can but let's face it, it takes a miracle that happens 0.1% of the time)
2. In this day and age, I would think if the pilots want to send a message to management, can't everyone just set up a web site or twitter account or mass e-mail distribution and set up a day and call in sick? Wouldn't that have the same effect? Either way management is going to be ****ed (union or not). I would think you'd get a lot more immediate attention when planes are grounded until demands are met without having the drama of dragging out contract negotiations that could last for years with back and forth bickering.
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Old 03-24-2014, 01:03 PM   #104  
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-=-= Outsider here. So don't kill me. I'm just curious here. =-=-

Why would you want to unionize? Why be tied to the Railways Labor Act restrictions?

1. You can't strike (yes, technically you can but let's face it, it takes a miracle that happens 0.1% of the time)
2. In this day and age, I would think if the pilots want to send a message to management, can't everyone just set up a web site or twitter account or mass e-mail distribution and set up a day and call in sick? Wouldn't that have the same effect? Either way management is going to be ****ed (union or not). I would think you'd get a lot more immediate attention when planes are grounded until demands are met without having the drama of dragging out contract negotiations that could last for years with back and forth bickering.
1. You can still strike, but it has to be proven that management is bargaining unfairly.
2. That's completely illegal.
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If you are one of the couple dozen or so guys at JetBlue who absolutely will not vote for ALPA for whatever reason (They somehow wronged you at your Regional airline, you don't want to pay them 1.9% for their Legal, medical, and safety services, etc), please consider the following options:
1) Abstain from voting
2) Write in an In-House union or Teamsters, or whatever other union you want

You do not have to vote "no". If you vote "no", you are voting to remain under the Direct Relationship, which has been continuously failing. If you are one of the guys in this boat that just can't support ALPA, that's fine, just please do NOT support the DR!
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Old 03-24-2014, 01:13 PM   #106  
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JB'ers..

Don't bother with Mesabah. he has his own agenda and likes to carry his opinions around masqueraded as fact.

You have actual facts, you have actual DR experience, you have actual PVC results. Make your own choice.
Oh, I think JetBlue will be ALPA, nothing I say here matters. It will be funny though, when all of ALPA's campaign promises suddenly turn into managed expectations....."Yeah, well we tried to recapture international scope, but that would get us parked by the NMB, so instead we gave management a carve out.".....
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Oh, I think JetBlue will be ALPA, nothing I say here matters. It will be funny though, when all of ALPA's campaign promises suddenly turn into managed expectations....."Yeah, well we tried to recapture international scope, but that would get us parked by the NMB, so instead we gave management a carve out.".....
I'm just one vote, but the DR is dead. I'll take my chances with alpa
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I'm just one vote, but the DR is dead. I'll take my chances with alpa

The DR is absolutely dead. The Pilots of JetBlue have been short changed time and time again while reminded how fortunate they are.
And, there's no third party to blame.


When ALPA arrives, it will be a stark reminder of management's greed and failure to invest in their best assets.


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Old 03-24-2014, 02:17 PM   #109  
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Could have a union problem at AA/UsAir too. Always union drama.

American responds in pilots union dispute over seniority | American Airlines | American ...
What in the world does that have to do with ALPA at Jet blue?

Look. I don't like ALPA. I can't stand the bloated bureaucracy and squishy "leadership."

But I'll take ALPA any day over a management team that has screwed you again and again, and claims it has your best interests at heart. Because that's a lie.
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Old 03-24-2014, 02:23 PM   #110  
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look. I don't like alpa. I can't stand the bloated bureaucracy and squishy "leadership."

but i'll take alpa any day over a management team that has screwed you again and again, and claims it has your best interests at heart. Because that's a lie.
Exactly!!!
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