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Old 03-30-2014, 05:09 PM   #241  
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Yeah, but what about when your silo reps are all in JFK and BOS because the demographics of having the biggest bases with the most pilots to vote for a candidate work out that way... So much for the issues that primarily involve MCO, FLL, LGB. Those guys get all screwed in that set up.

Say I'm an LGB pilot who has to go to the CPO and my rep is in BOS... How good a job will he be able to do if he can't be in LGB for my hearing?

Plusses and minuses to every choice.....
Good point, I suppose there is no perfect solution.
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Old 03-30-2014, 05:25 PM   #242  
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Good point, I suppose there is no perfect solution.
I'm not advocating for one system over another... Just know the strengths and weaknesses of all your choices.

I can see either method being viable and successful at JB. Good luck and I hope to see JB pilots volunteering for positions within their MEC and with ALPA National. I know you have great talent there.
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I agree with you, but I'm not trying to sell anything... I lived it growing up.

ALPA and its benefits literally put my brother and I through college.
I don't disagree with anything you have posted. I was trying to validate your point.
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Yeah, but what about when your silo reps are all in JFK and BOS because the demographics of having the biggest bases with the most pilots to vote for a candidate work out that way... So much for the issues that primarily involve MCO, FLL, LGB. Those guys get all screwed in that set up.

Say I'm an LGB pilot who has to go to the CPO and my rep is in BOS... How good a job will he be able to do if he can't be in LGB for my hearing?

Plusses and minuses to every choice.....


I hear ya...

Maybe a job for pro standards.
A silo rep for each block( decides on big things) and a pro standards rep(or a captain and first officer rep) in each base.(more personal and has a relationship with each CP)
We have to win first, but it really seems most guys here like the silo system...
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Silo system is strictly seniority based. Silo 1 is seniority numbers 1-300, Silo 2 is 301-600, (just using rough numbers)

It removes the CA against FO dynamic, and the base vs base dynamic "ohh JFK didn't vote for XYZ but BOS did! All JFK pilots are jerks!"

Yeah, but what about when your silo reps are all in JFK and BOS because the demographics of having the biggest bases with the most pilots to vote for a candidate work out that way... So much for the issues that primarily involve MCO, FLL, LGB. Those guys get all screwed in that set up.

Say I'm an LGB pilot who has to go to the CPO and my rep is in BOS... How good a job will he be able to do if he can't be in LGB for my hearing?

Plusses and minuses to every choice.....

The Block System we use (an option under the current ALPA C&B-L) recognizes domiciles and/or bases, and in large bases breaks things down by seniority.

I don't know how your roughly 2,700 pilots are distributed among 5 domiciles, but let's say for example they're broken down like this:

JFK - 950
BOS - 550
FLL - 350
MCO - 600
LGB - 250

One way of using the Block Rep would be to assign one Rep each to the smaller domiciles, LGB and FLL, and break down the larger domiciles into 2 or 3 seniority blocks. BOS and MCO would get 2 reps, and JFK would have 3. Each domicile would have it's own Local Council. Using some made-up Local Council numbers, it might look like this.

Local Council 991 - JFK - The members of LC 991 are divided into 3 seniority blocks, Block J1, J2, and J3. All members of the Local Council get to vote for 3 representatives, one for each of the seniority blocks. (Each Block Rep must be in that Seniority Block, but all members of the Local Council get to vote for all 3 Reps.) Then they get to vote to determine which of the 3 elected reps will serve as the Local Council Chairman, Vice-Chairman and Secretary Treasurer. All three sit on the Master Executive Council (MEC).

Local Council 992 - BOS - and Local Council 994 - MCO - The members of both councils are divided into 2 seniority blocks, Block B1 and B2, and Block M1 and M2. All members of both Local Councils get to vote for 2 representatives, one for each of the seniority blocks, and then they get to vote to determine which of the 2 elected reps will serve as the Local Council Chairman, Vice-Chairman and then a 3rd person to serve as Secretary Treasurer. The Local Council Chairmen and Vice-Chairmen sit on the Master Executive Council (MEC). The Secretary-Treasurer serves as a "Non-Status Representative." He serves in the Local Council, but does not have a vote on the MEC.

Local Council 993 - FLL - and Local Council 995 - LGB - The members of both councils are in a single block, Block F1 and Block L1. All members of both Local Councils get to vote for Local Council Chairman, Vice-Chairman, and Secretary-Treasurer. The Local Council Chairmen sit on the Master Executive Council (MEC). The Vice-Chairmen and Secretary-Treasurers serve as "Non-Status Representatives". They serve in the Local Council, but do not have a vote on the MEC.

Each domicile has a Local Council. Each MEC Representative represents roughly 300 pilots arranged first by base, and then by seniority. Every pilot has a Representative in his own base. In a large base, each pilot's Representative is relatively close to him in seniority.

When the 9 MEC Reps sit down at the table, each pilot can be comfortable that at least 1 of the MEC Reps is looking out for pilots just like him. If the MEC commits to vote by Block Rep, reserving "roll call" votes for only the most rare situations, and strives to build consensus rather than settling for a simple majority, you would be surprised at how each Block Rep's opinion and vote becomes important. In our case, a Block Rep representing 120 pilots in HKG has as loud a voice as the Block Rep representing the most senior 450 pilots in Memphis.

Of course, I have no idea how the pilots are actually distributed through those 5 domiciles, so the numbers are likely off, but you can get the idea from my example. Obviously, the system would be tailored for your specific situation, and can change as you change.






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I hear ya...

Maybe a job for pro standards.
A silo rep for each block( decides on big things) and a pro standards rep(or a captain and first officer rep) in each base.(more personal and has a relationship with each CP)
We have to win first, but it really seems most guys here like the silo system...
Keep ProStans out of politics and the CPO. The whole point of ProStans is a way to address problems BEFORE they get to the CPO.

Keep your elected people as far from ProStans as possible.

But blocks like Tony C mentioned could work for you.
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