Jetblue anti-union tactics
03-23-2014, 04:56 PM
#81
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Spirit Airlines is ALPA, they had to strike to get a contract below your current one. Also, if Wall Street punishes you guys for going union, you may be looking at concessions.
JetBlue Pilots already have below average compensation and benefits and have no protections.
Fun fact for you.........................
The Airline Pilot profession is a unionized profession!
Wall St is Wall St. That's just the way it is.
How about we push the whole Union/ Non union issue aside?
MGMT Don't want a union. Fine. Why didn't they just compensate the Pilots competitively?
It would have prevented the union drive!
They could have. But, they decided not to.
The question is.........................
WHY???
T
Last edited by alvrb211; 03-23-2014 at 05:19 PM.
03-23-2014, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by alvrb211
JetBlue Pilots already have below average compensation and benefits and have no protections.
Here's a little detail for you.........................
The Airline Pilot profession is a unionized profession!
Wall St is Wall St. That's just the way it is.
How about we push the whole Union/ Non union issue aside?
MGMT Don't want a union. Fine. Why didn't they just compensate the Pilots competitively?
It would have prevented the union drive!
They could have. But, they decided not to.
The question is.........................
WHY???
T
Here's a little detail for you.........................
The Airline Pilot profession is a unionized profession!
Wall St is Wall St. That's just the way it is.
How about we push the whole Union/ Non union issue aside?
MGMT Don't want a union. Fine. Why didn't they just compensate the Pilots competitively?
It would have prevented the union drive!
They could have. But, they decided not to.
The question is.........................
WHY???
T
03-23-2014, 05:28 PM
#83
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Spirit Airlines is ALPA, they had to strike to get a contract below your current one. Also, if Wall Street punishes you guys for going union, you may be looking at concessions.
They got nearly everything they asked for, which was reasonable for the airline's current and forecast performance. If Spirit continues to grow, I'd expect that contract to continue to improve.
Wall Street punish for going union? What are they going to do, drive the stock back down to what it was worth 10 years ago? Bring it on! (but please tell them to wait until after the June stock buy).
03-23-2014, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
The legacies have a lot of regional jets flying around to supplement their pay. JetBlue gets to have all flying in house, that is much better than having a union. You have to look at the entire compensation package of the legacy system, and when you do, you will find their compensation is actually lower. Your expectations of what ALPA is going to get you is way out of whack, you can expect your current contract as your new CBA, with a 2% union due pay cut.
03-23-2014, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
The legacies have a lot of regional jets flying around to supplement their pay. JetBlue gets to have all flying in house, that is much better than having a union. You have to look at the entire compensation package of the legacy system, and when you do, you will find their compensation is actually lower. Your expectations of what ALPA is going to get you is way out of whack, you can expect your current contract as your new CBA, with a 2% union due pay cut.
Nice try!
There is a wealth of independent unbiased analysis that PROVES JetBlue Pilots are undercompensated!
We have the data!
It's a little late in the day to be trying to refute the comparisons provided by our subject matter experts/ labor economists.
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03-23-2014, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom a Hawk
That legacies make money off low wages for half their flying?
Or that a first contract would likely be exactly what we currently have minus 1.9%?
Or that a first contract would likely be exactly what we currently have minus 1.9%?
03-23-2014, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
The legacies have a lot of regional jets flying around to supplement their pay. JetBlue gets to have all flying in house, that is much better than having a union.
Last edited by flyinaway411; 03-23-2014 at 07:13 PM.
03-24-2014, 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by flyinaway411
This is where your shortsightedness comes into play. JetBlue "gets" to have all flying in house...until they decide not to. We have a lot to learn from pilot groups of the past, and one of them is to protect scope. JetBlue flights/aircraft need to be flown by JetBlue pilots. This is just one aspect of the job security that people are talking about. There is only one way to protect scope, and that is a CBA and to learn from the mistakes of UAL's, DAL's, and AA's.
But, JB Management assert that JetBlue Pilots have "Culturally based scope".
Embarrassing isn't it?
What's even more embarrassing is that some JB Pilots actually believe it.
Could you imagine legacy Pilots accepting culturally based scope?
Some people should just stick to flying clubs and leisure flying. This is supposed to be a career.
T
03-24-2014, 01:13 AM
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No to start a **** storm, but after at republic , I never want to work at a place with a union again. They do nothing but take money and act like they are helping me out. they just **** me over. Not as bad as republic , but I'm not being forced to pay republic hundred. It's horrible what little I make from one the other takes. One reason I want to go there is because of no union. **** ibt alpa
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