Jetblue anti-union tactics
#91
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#92
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The legacies have a lot of regional jets flying around to supplement their pay. JetBlue gets to have all flying in house, that is much better than having a union. You have to look at the entire compensation package of the legacy system, and when you do, you will find their compensation is actually lower. Your expectations of what ALPA is going to get you is way out of whack, you can expect your current contract as your new CBA, with a 2% union due pay cut.
First, they have non-line pilots flying non-Pax jets. Send a E190 to mx? Flown by part 91 pilots. Pick up a new 321? Part 91 pilots (and some Mgmt types).
But you're right. Little hops to BTV, MHT, and ROC get covered by mainline jets. Instead, we just farm out all of our 8-14hr pond crossings to foreign carriers while continually dangling wide body buys in the rumor mill. I got told directly by the OSC "CP" last year that we'd definitely have 330s in a couple years, and he acted like he thought I believed him. Of course that's the same guy who told me the new PEA would be absolutely amazing, especially for new hires. Kudos to him, as he's one of the people who convinced me to send in my card.
I don't expect the first CBA will be world-crushing, but your expectation that it will be current PEA - dues indicates you might want to call in sick to avoid the next pee test for at least 23 days.
#93
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The legacies have a lot of regional jets flying around to supplement their pay. JetBlue gets to have all flying in house, that is much better than having a union. You have to look at the entire compensation package of the legacy system, and when you do, you will find their compensation is actually lower. Your expectations of what ALPA is going to get you is way out of whack, you can expect your current contract as your new CBA, with a 2% union due pay cut.
Can you point me in the direction of the data that shows jetblues compensation package for its pilots is the one of the best in the industry? Please.
Cause last time I checked jetblue pilots are behind the "legacy" (the LCC model too...) total compensation package in afew areas like:
Hourly rate
401k contributions
Profit sharing
Vacation allocation
Vacation distribution
Work rules
Trip and duty rigs
Health care
Just off the top of my head. So respectfully sir, your statement is horse manure.
#94
No to start a **** storm, but after at republic , I never want to work at a place with a union again. They do nothing but take money and act like they are helping me out. they just **** me over. Not as bad as republic , but I'm not being forced to pay republic hundred. It's horrible what little I make from one the other takes. One reason I want to go there is because of no union. **** ibt alpa
#95
Stock prices are about number 1,342 on my list of priorities. Yes they are important, but not more important than having a real contract, reasonable healthcare, safer work rules, etc.
We have been promised "average" for years. Sadly, Spirit makes up the lower end of the group (hourly rate-wise. I have no idea what their benefits are like). I hope they get a better contract next time. These promises get broken time after time. I've had enough of it. It's time to negotiate vice collaborate - which in jetblue terms means, "Here's your PEA, take it or leave it."
Lastly, regardless what are stock price is now or a month from now, some day we will be bought, merged or will acquire another airline. That's just business. Having virtually NO PROTECTIONS for our careers in our current set of documents is unacceptable. Our Pilot Protection Agreement is a joke.
#96
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The only thing ALPA will get you is great seniority protection in a merger if you are the acquired carrier, everything else is a pipe dream.
Healthcare will be ObamaCare in a few years, no reason to waste negotiating capital on that.
Healthcare will be ObamaCare in a few years, no reason to waste negotiating capital on that.
#97
JB'ers..
Don't bother with Mesabah. he has his own agenda and likes to carry his opinions around masqueraded as fact.
You have actual facts, you have actual DR experience, you have actual PVC results. Make your own choice.
Don't bother with Mesabah. he has his own agenda and likes to carry his opinions around masqueraded as fact.
You have actual facts, you have actual DR experience, you have actual PVC results. Make your own choice.
#98
No to start a **** storm, but after at republic , I never want to work at a place with a union again. They do nothing but take money and act like they are helping me out. they just **** me over. Not as bad as republic , but I'm not being forced to pay republic hundred. It's horrible what little I make from one the other takes. One reason I want to go there is because of no union. **** ibt alpa
Serious question. Do you have apps in at UAL, DAL, SWA, AA, Spirit, Allegiant, or Alaska (did I leave anyone out)? Because if you do, you're a hypocrite and I then submit to you, why is it acceptable for those pilots (and you if you were to get hired at any of the above) to advance/secure their/your career via a union, but we shouldn't?
Oh and I'd also bet a paycheck that if you didn't have a union BB would make sure life and pay at republic would be even worse than it is now.
Last edited by flyinaway411; 03-24-2014 at 06:55 AM.
#99
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No to start a **** storm, but after at republic , I never want to work at a place with a union again. They do nothing but take money and act like they are helping me out. they just **** me over. Not as bad as republic , but I'm not being forced to pay republic hundred. It's horrible what little I make from one the other takes. One reason I want to go there is because of no union. **** ibt alpa
Your opinion, however legitimate, is apples to oranges in comparing what Republic is going through to what JetBlue is. We are NOT a regional airline. Regionals are at the mercy of the Major that they feed. It makes negotiations much more difficult. You are also IBT not ALPA.
Good luck finding a non union carrier. Maybe you can go to SkyWest.
#100
Could have a union problem at AA/UsAir too. Always union drama.
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