Fins Up

None of us here are naďve enough to think that ALPA is going to be the end all, be all and fix all our problems. I'm managing my own expectations. However, the one thing that is absolutely true without a doubt is that the direct relationship DOES...NOT...WORK. It's time to take a different path and build our own representation from the ground up that actually has legal standing.

alvrb211

Agreed.


Who on earth would believe that surrendering 100% control over your career to someone else would be a sound move???


NOTHING could be worse than the Direct Relationship.


NOTHING!


JJ

alvrb211

Who's side are you on dude?

I'm convinced you're a Management plant.


JJ

P-3Bubba

Hardly. I'm just pointing out the drama involved in a current M&A event. JJ, you're drumming the warrior beat and that's exactly what I fear in a union. Us against them. That's how all the Legacy's flushed themselves down the bankruptcy toilet.

Purple Drank

Are you really going to sit here as a jet blue new hire fresh out of the military and parrot jetblue management's party line on why the legacies "flushed themselves down the toilet?"

*clown alert*

p.s. the legacies' pay and benefits are pretty good compared to yours...not too bad for being "flushed down the toilet." maybe you should look into it.

PasserOGas

Or maybe jetblue pilots should vote away scope to lower their CASM, then give themselves pay raises on the backs of their regional ALPA "brothers". It worked for Delta, AA, and United's pilots!

Softpayman

Does Alpa wronging you at a regional count differently than if it occurs at a different point in your career? I was pretty happy with some of my local guys, the administration in Virginia stunk. Those in VA will be serving me administratively in the exact same position.
(Was hoping off in-house).

Fly Faster

Absolutely! I understand...lots of folks have their own reasons for not wanting ALPA specifically. You can write in any group you want to represent you. I only meant that you shouldn't vote "no" unless you believe in the Direct Relationship, which has let us down repeatedly. We know for a fact that keeping the DR is hopeless and will result in more beatings until morale improves...and morale is at an all time low. If you don't believe in either one, just don't vote.

An in-house would have been a nice option, but unless you can convince 2600 pilots to donate $3000-$5000 each for startup costs, it's a non-starter. Besides, our current management would treat an in-house like they treat the current PVC...by not showing up to scheduled meetings and by throwing away months worth of work. It's unfortunate, but that's where we are.

alvrb211

Ah, the dreaded bankruptcy word.


But, Pilots flying for bankrupt legacy carriers were still better compensated under concessionary contracts than JB Pilots who were flying for a profitable carrier.


Doesn't that make you want to ask Questions?


From a Pilots perspective, bankruptcy wasn't so bad after all.


JJ

Wildflyin

Not voting just means that the majority to win is smaller in a union election. The majority could be either side. Telling people not to vote is a stupid tactic.