Fins Up

I did not sign up for 3A, but I learn as much about it as I can for my own education. I recommend pulling that email back out of your trash and reading it. You can call it a "rant", but the factual information in there does a very good job of showing the deceit we have come to know and hate from our management team.

Kellwolf

That's it. Busted.

'Cause if I don't tow the ALPA line, I'm a "juicer" or management. Maybe if I'm lucky, I might be "too new to know better."

Newsflash, guys that think and act that way are no different than management. Just on the other side of the coin.

For those that think there likely aren't deals offered from ALPA to get things accomplished, good luck in your version of reality. Those of us that have been committee volunteers for 6 years, a committee chair and borderline almost ran for a rep position obviously have no clue about the organization.....

And again, for the record, I didn't vote "no." I just didn't vote for ALPA. However, apparently even a vote for unionization isn't good enough for many around here as I've been told to shut up and stay out of it a few times if my vote wasn't for ALPA. If these are the people that get voted in as reps, it's not gonna be all that great around here. We'll just swap one bad guy for another. We'll be told "This is how it is, vote this way or get out of the way." Thankfully, the recall process (once you finally get it started) does work. Finally had to recall one of our base reps that had been doing the job for way too long and just assumed everyone would go with what he said rather than researching on their own.

Kellwolf

Management doesn't tell the truth all the time. I don't need to read a long e-mail to tell me that. ALPA doesn't tell the truth all the time. I also don't need a long e-mail from the other side to tell me that, either. Basically, if it sounds too good to be true, it likely isn't. This goes for both sides of the representation fence in my experience.

rvr1800

There is no "it sounds too good to be true" about 3A. The thing about 3A is that it's so shockingly simple. It stated that if first year pilots get a raise then the rest of pilots will get an equal percentage raise. Then the company gave big first year raises and raises to the rest of the group that were not the same percentage.

Now you can argue that it was in the companies best interest to adjust the pay scales as they did but was it in the pilot's best interest at the same time? Maybe, maybe not.

I'm not part of 3A and I don't really have a strong stance on either side of the argument. What the whole situation made glaringly clear was that the PEA was written so vaguely that it can hurt the company and also hurt the pilot group.

The latest PEA did not include pay raises to first year pilots because of 3A, in fact it included a pay cut due to the loss of premium pay. The company stated that this was unintended and they didn't realize this until it was brought to their attention by first year guys. I believe they were being completely honest. I really don't think they knew that would happen. They have since fixed that problem with a $6000 pro-rated bonus to first year guys. A more than fair fix. The company did the right thing.

Again there is a but, BUT this only helped to point out more holes in this document. That it was released without anyone realizing the first year pay thing shows how little research was done into this "industry leading" document.

Your vote was for something other than the direct relationship. That is all that matters. I don't think this website, and certainly not blue pilots, are an accurate representation of this pilot group. As a whole we are much more middle of the road on this issue. I have not flown with one overly militant pro-union guy and same goes for the anti-union guys. Just about every one of us wants a successful company that can grow and make profits for our shareholders while also receiving a fair compensation package.

I think most of us are disappointed that the DR became more of a one way street. The worst quote I've heard on a conference call came from one of our leaders, "we don't negotiate, we collaborate". I had to disconnect after that, literally and figuratively.