Virgin Next To Unionize?
04-24-2014, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Lots of ex USAir and TWA pilots at JB that were singlehandedly screwed over by ALPA (and not airline management one tiny bit) but it wasn't enough.
I have not first hand knowledge of that situation. If I have been misinformed, by all means, enlighten me.
04-25-2014, 01:00 AM
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I can say that Ive been a member of ALPA, IBT, and InHouse unions during my nightmare in the sky. IBT are crooks. They do the job pretty good for UPS but that's it. InHouse is just too darn expensive to start up, and who you going to trust to be the first MEC for the startup shop? ALPA also sucks, but there is a difference...
IBT- cheap Van Nuys blvd hooker and 300 lbs.
InHouse- expensive Melrose hooker and 92 lbs 6'7" tall
ALPA- Convention Center hooker 120 lbs 5'7, but you'll lose your pants and wallet when its over.
Bottom line is they'll all take your money and leave your Arss in the wind.
That being said, I would support ALPA here at VX asap. We need representation bad, because it's not getting any better without it.
Just my 2 pennies
IBT- cheap Van Nuys blvd hooker and 300 lbs.
InHouse- expensive Melrose hooker and 92 lbs 6'7" tall
ALPA- Convention Center hooker 120 lbs 5'7, but you'll lose your pants and wallet when its over.
Bottom line is they'll all take your money and leave your Arss in the wind.
That being said, I would support ALPA here at VX asap. We need representation bad, because it's not getting any better without it.
Just my 2 pennies
04-25-2014, 03:44 AM
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[QUOTE=XDriverX;1630035 InHouse unions during my nightmare in the sky. IBT are crooks. They do the job pretty good for UPS but that's it. InHouse is just too darn expensive to start up,
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The UPS pilots are represented by the IPA (Independent Pilots Association) It is a in house independent union.
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The UPS pilots are represented by the IPA (Independent Pilots Association) It is a in house independent union.
04-25-2014, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Fins Up
Are you referring to the Nicoalu (sp/) Award? If so, I mostly hear that the USAir MEC acted.......not smartly and THAT was their downfall, not ALPA.
I have not first hand knowledge of that situation. If I have been misinformed, by all means, enlighten me.
I have not first hand knowledge of that situation. If I have been misinformed, by all means, enlighten me.
04-25-2014, 04:48 AM
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The IBT (Teamsters) is an absolute JOKE! A complete waste of time and money. They represent no one that is even close to the top of the industry, for a reason. I think ALPA services are by far the best and if for prior bias or political reasons a pilot group can't or will not get over, an in house is a far superior route.
04-25-2014, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ex9driver
Don't work there but know many who do. A lot of former Midwest pilots screwed over by Lee Moak specifically and ALPA in general. I won't speak for them, but if they feel like I do about ALPA and Moak its gonna be a tough sell!
John Prater was ALPA president from January 1, 2007 to December 31, 2010 when Midwest's troubles were brewing.
04-25-2014, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by EWRflyr
Lee Moak had nothing to do with the Midwest pilots being "screwed over" as you say. Midwest Airlines ceased to exist when it was folded into Frontier Airlines by Republic in October of 2010. Lee Moak was elected the incoming president of ALPA in October 2010 and took office on January 1, 2011. For the six years prior to that he was the Delta Air Lines MEC Chairman.
John Prater was ALPA president from January 1, 2007 to December 31, 2010 when Midwest's troubles were brewing.
John Prater was ALPA president from January 1, 2007 to December 31, 2010 when Midwest's troubles were brewing.
04-25-2014, 04:15 PM
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ALPA in the end is probably the only choice. Its just for some of us it is personal and I really get tired of the brotherhood BS. The only brotherhood that matters to Mr Moak are the legacy carriers. Some of us live by the fued. There aint no forgettin!
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