DAL SEA base
 

Anyone know how long it would take for a 2014/2015 new hire to hold any position in SEA?

Depends on many factors (new plane base, increase/decrease in block hours), but most junior FO is a Mid-2000 hire.

That's tough
 

The bottom dweller is around 10,600, or about 1,400 from the bottom of the overall seniority list. Latest crew bulletin said they'll be offering more SEA A330 positions. If some of the 7ER pilots move up to the 330, that may free up some more spots at or below the 10,600 mark.

I looked at a sample of the last few AEs, and the bottom seniority number for a SEA 7ER FO went from 9,881 in Jan 2014 to 10,335 in Feb, then 10,612 on the last AE, so the trend is moving in the right direction.

But as the last guy said, it's a crapshoot if they move the 717 there, or can get worse quickly if they downsize the 7ER there without a replacement. Can't see that happening with the growth in SEA.

My guess (just for fun) . . . one year.

Good post and good point about the trend.

For perspective for an outside, 10,600 is a 2007 hire (2001 at NWA).

However, who the heck knows, the trend as Qwyjibo http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/funny/2/...y-emoticon.gif points out is trending towards SEA being within the reach of a new higher quicker than it used to be.

Alaska's Hiring:)

That's a trick question because Seattle isn't a DL hub.


Wait...

I believe it officially reaches hub status at some point soon based upon the planned flight schedule.

Well, for the airline and for the pilots it's got a different meaning.

Per the contract:
Because why? Because if SEA is considered a hub in the pilot contract then outsourcing to Alaska will not work well, therefore, SEA will never be a hub per the pilot contract.

Unless RA wants to send an even more powerful message to AS that they screwed up bad. Closing that hole in our scope, even if just to the degree that it will exist in 2015, and locking AS out of being even a potential massive DCI feeder with 737's like they used to be would send shockwaves through their investors.

"Hub" for purposes of the DL-AK codeshare is different than being considered a DL "hub for flights" or a DL "pilot domicile".*


*I think the AK codeshare needs to be trimmed/ended, but that isn't the reality at present. Looks like it is trending that direction, might be a cheap time to buy tighter language there....

That AS screwed up bad? Really? Look, you're a gear jerker. Nothing more nothing less. That's a good thing in this profession and it's most likely where your talents lay. For certain it's not airline financials or management fundamentals. I not going to get into why Alaska refused to end all their codeshare agreements; destroy their outstanding mileage program or put themselves in an incredible risky situation by not accepting Delta's exclusive feeder offer. What I will say is Alaska's refusal resulted in a lot of pilot jobs and growth. A BIG win for us all. Try sticking to that. You'll have more credibility. Keep Climbing and have a great Delta day!

NO! You're doing it wrong!!!!

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Damn you Alaskan pilots. Just stop.

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We are a southern company. We live in the south. We have what we term outhouses in various other parts of the country, even those baking in the sin of legalized marijuana.

It's "Keep Climbing and have a blessed Delta day!"

Don't screw this up again.

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Got it Moosei?

Y'all gotta PRAY to keep them things flyin'? Hell, I prefer to rely on my OWN self, you know, like I was steering that sum*****!

Not really. Review the data for how many total passengers are Delta bookings on AS.

Absolutely! I'm very glad that AS management decided to award DL narrowbody flying to DL pilots on the west coast, because DL wasn't going to do it.

I'm just trying to spitball some ways to pitch tighter scope to the company. It can be sold as a partial win for them, ditto for large RJ scope if DCI continues to implode. Our scope needs improvement and its the cheapest time to "buy" it right now, at least as far as large RJ's and AS go.

Spread across the network that's true. But we had a dozen large narrowbody flights a day on one city pair, none of it DL metal, with up to half of the seats full of DL pax. And similar abuses on the west coast. That DL only put one or two on the tons of niche flying AS (mostly Horizon) do that watered down the average doesn't change that.

Its funny that to stay independent, AS has to get deeper in bed with AA. I think they bet on DL being unwilling to fight them on capacity. When DL didn't cave, AS upped the ante with SLC and their BA partnership. IMO AS was certain DL would buckle. That has proven to be a huge miscalculation.

I suppose they figured DL wouldn't want to pay for what they were getting for free from AS.

Heard RA was going to visit SEA:

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One of the ATL/SEA flights:
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Excellent http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/376...xcellent-o.gif

If it allows you to sleep better at night, by all means, keep telling it to yourself.

Obviously it is of a substantial concern to you and a small handful of others.