FO/SIC training at major airlines ?
I am working on something at my place, and wanted to ask
1. How different is the FO/SIC training (initial, I assume at new-hire or new-equipment assignment) from a full type-rating course or full PIC course ? 2. How often are SIC's required to attend recurrent/refresher ? 3. If the answer to #1 is "not any different" why are places not issuing type ratings at completion of that training ? Thank You |
I thought the FAA now required full PIC types even for new hires? I believe it's basically the same ride plus the CA stuff like RTO, flaps 0 landing, engine fail/relight, and some scenario(s) that makes you think/use good ADM. For #2, at my company FOs get sims every 6 months with PC/LOFT alternating back/forth.
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1730615)
I thought the FAA now required full PIC types even for new hires? I believe it's basically the same ride plus the CA stuff like RTO, flaps 0 landing, engine fail/relight, and some scenario(s) that makes you think/use good ADM. For #2, at my company FOs get sims every 6 months with PC/LOFT alternating back/forth.
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Not different at all, in fact it is exactly the same. Every airline has a different training curriculum and most probably focus on different things in the initial (FO) and upgrade (Capt) training. Upgrade usually hits harder on FOM stuff because that's what the Capt does on a daily basis.
Sim training is identical for both seats, in fact at many airlines the two fly the checkride together. Why not issuing a type to the FO? A few do (insurance requirements mostly) but usually with a SIC privileges only restriction. The airline's fear is that you get hired, complete initial training, and leave with a type rating in your pocket for a different carrier. Initial training is said to cost a cool 120,000$. |
Spirit is full pic type. All training and type ride is done in the left seat. You only sit right seat during seat support and cat 3 cert.
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Originally Posted by The Juice
(Post 1730739)
Spirit is full pic type. All training and type ride is done in the left seat. You only sit right seat during seat support and cat 3 cert.
After the type ride, you then do a LOFT sim sortie, focusing on the FO procedures and of course OE is all right seat. |
jet blue changed it's syllabus this year to give FO's a full type rather than the SIC we received out of initial. The only thing different that the FAA required to be added was taxiing the jet from the right seat and a rejected takeoff.
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Originally Posted by There is line
(Post 1730710)
Initial training is said to cost a cool 120,000$.
Umm yeah, maybe if you remove the one you would be closer. |
Originally Posted by There is line
(Post 1730710)
Why not issuing a type to the FO? A few do (insurance requirements mostly) but usually with a SIC privileges only restriction.
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There is Line claims
initial training, and leave with a type rating in your pocket for a different carrier. Initial training is said to cost a cool $120,000. That comes to $27,900. So where's the other $92,100 go for? Can't factor additional pay for labour, as instructors are paid regardless of the number of students in the class. |
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