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11-24-2014, 09:42 AM

#21

gloopy

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Originally Posted by DCAJRMAN

I tell all pilots to interview and then make the choice. The more times an airline offer is rejected the better the pay and benefits will become industry-wide for new hires.

LOL that's pushing it. HAHA!

To have any actual impact from interviewees saying no would require a massive turn down rate by successful applicants. It costs very little to interview a candidate in the grand scheme of things. SWA was famous for having 2/3 to 3/4 rejection rates by their design for a long time, and they were otherwise very careful with the money they spent.

You really think legacy airline managements are going to come groveling to the union to offer big raises because the entire interview pool is rallying against them? LOL dude.

11-24-2014, 09:59 AM

#22

yankiwi

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I say take the interview for sure, then decide if you get an offer.

I left EK and I'm now working at UAL. For me it was a no brainer, still in my 30's, young family etc. Everyone's situation is different but my QOL here is substantially better......

Good luck!

11-24-2014, 10:02 AM

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JoeyMeatballs

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Jesus, do most DAL 6yr F/Os all make 200k?, or are thosethe guys who really hustle?

11-24-2014, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs

Jesus, do most DAL 6yr F/Os all make 200k?, or are thosethe guys who really hustle?

Kinda doubt it's most, but guys that live in base and make themselves available on short notice had a green-slip (double-pay) bonanza this year. I'm going to break 200 this year, not by a lot, and I'm in my 16th year.

This whole conversation makes me wonder how EK is going to fill the cockpits of all those wide-bodies they've ordered. I think this might be the weak link in their chain.

11-24-2014, 10:40 AM

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^ agreed.

We (Spirit) have had a few Emirates and Etihad guys hired recently as well. 5-6 years ago Emirates was a bunch of people's wet dream, personally you couldn't pay me enough to work there but funny how now even Spirit has some Emirates guys

this industry changes dramatically over such a short time, probably more so than any other industry.....

11-24-2014, 11:38 AM

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Sliceback

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Why the focus on UA? Is it 'UA or bust'? DL and AA have similar retirement numbers.

11-24-2014, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs

Jesus, do most DAL 6yr F/Os all make 200k?, or are thosethe guys who really hustle?

I've never made 200K, and I'm at the max scale (12Y +). I don't think the statement is true for most 6Y FO's.

11-24-2014, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sliceback

Why the focus on UA? Is it 'UA or bust'? DL and AA have similar retirement numbers.

Just based on retirement numbers AA would be the way to go, I'm a Delta guy and our retirements will be good but not near as good as AA...

11-24-2014, 12:30 PM

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80ktsClamp

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Originally Posted by Sink r8

I've never made 200K, and I'm at the max scale (12Y +). I don't think the statement is true for most 6Y FO's.

I'm year 8 scale and won't quite hit 200 this year (though including DC I'll be well above 200). It's been a very lucrative year with green slips and other opportunities!

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11-24-2014, 12:41 PM

#30

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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs

this industry changes dramatically over such a short time, probably more so than any other industry.....

People went 5-6 years ago because it was 2008 and the recession had just started! Plenty of guys from Aloha, ATA, Skybus, went to EK. Had nothing to do with wet dreams as it did with brining in a paycheck and pay bills. 5-6 yrs ago, there were furloughs and no legacy was hiring here.