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WHACKMASTER 12-18-2014 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by Pilotdude3407 (Post 1786022)
The first schmuck pilot (or FA) who rolls through KCM in a Hawaiian shirt, cargo shorts, and flip flops and ruins it for the rest of us, I'm going to be ****ed!

Um, how would that ruin it for the rest of us? I don't get it. What rule is that person violating? Lighten up, Francis.

gloopy 12-18-2014 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by jetliner1526 (Post 1786125)
§ 121.575 Alcoholic beverages.
(a) No person may drink any alcoholic beverage aboard an aircraft unless the certificate holder operating the aircraft has served that beverage to him.

You can still bring BYOB. You just officially have to get a working FA to serve it to you. True story.

Intransit 12-19-2014 01:05 AM

One particular bit of clarification I'm waiting on is with KCM random checks and the resulting non-uniformed crew member being subject to X-Ray screening. I think it's important that crew members have assurance of maintaining that exemption.

ManFlex 12-19-2014 02:40 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1786036)
If you are not in uniform yes. If you are in uniform for the flight then no. Uniformed crew members have a exemption.

A point of clarification: isn't the uniform only required currently to bring liquids through the security checkpoint? There is no requirement to remain uniformed once past the checkpoint. I know Delta has a lot of extra BS in their FOM regarding uniform and KCM rules, but the vast majority of carriers just leave it to the TSA for the basic requirements.

sailingfun 12-19-2014 02:57 AM


Originally Posted by ManFlex (Post 1786507)
A point of clarification: isn't the uniform only required currently to bring liquids through the security checkpoint? There is no requirement to remain uniformed once past the checkpoint. I know Delta has a lot of extra BS in their FOM regarding uniform and KCM rules, but the vast majority of carriers just leave it to the TSA for the basic requirements.

You are incorrect. The TSA does random gate checks. If you are found out of uniform at the gate with liquids or other banned items you will get violated. You have to be in uniform for the flight. Several flight attendants and even a few pilots have been caught at my airline.
Delta requires that you only wear the uniform to and from work or while working. I think most airlines have that in their FOM.

Karnak 12-19-2014 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1786510)
You are incorrect. The TSA does random gate checks. If you are found out of uniform at the gate with liquids or other banned items you will get violated. You have to be in uniform for the flight. Several flight attendants and even a few pilots have been caught at my airline.
Delta requires that you only wear the uniform to and from work or while working. I think most airlines have that in their FOM.

Is the highlighted part correct?

Any person inside security can purchase liquids, including alcohol, once they're past the checkpoint. Are you saying a crew member will get some sort of TSA violation for "liquids" if they're searched at the gate out of uniform?

ManFlex 12-19-2014 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 1786568)
Is the highlighted part correct?

Any person inside security can purchase liquids, including alcohol, once they're past the checkpoint. Are you saying a crew member will get some sort of TSA violation for "liquids" if they're searched at the gate out of uniform?

I'm almost 100% certain he's incorrect. Many Delta pilots believe all the extra requirements placed upon them in their FOM are TSA requirements when in fact they are solely edicts from Delta management. For example, they can't wear their uniform and access KCM to non rev (not work related), whereas most airlines have no policy like this (and neither does TSA). It's important in these discussions to differentiate between TSA requirements and company specific policies.

shoelu 12-19-2014 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1786510)
Delta requires that you only wear the uniform to and from work or while working. I think most airlines have that in their FOM.

Not in my FOM or at the other two airlines I've worked at.

AvSec 12-19-2014 08:39 AM

APC probably is not the best place to discuss alternate access procedures.

RockyBoy 12-19-2014 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by ManFlex (Post 1786619)
I'm almost 100% certain he's incorrect. Many Delta pilots believe all the extra requirements placed upon them in their FOM are TSA requirements when in fact they are solely edicts from Delta management. For example, they can't wear their uniform and access KCM to non rev (not work related), whereas most airlines have no policy like this (and neither does TSA). It's important in these discussions to differentiate between TSA requirements and company specific policies.

Exactly. I'm surprised Delta doesn't require us to be in uniform while commuting to work in our car. Don't even get into the "company business" requirements that are different depending on what base you are in.


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