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What would happen if a major offered you the job, but then you came back a while later and said you could not class up for a few weeks to months later than you thought, due to a military not letting you go as early as you believed, for instance?

Don't let dot.mil do it to you. The rest of your life is your senority#. I let mil control my departure and have paid a big price for 28 years.

Let them stuff it!

Well, clearly any delay is not optimal but sometimes you can't just leave without being AWOL. Does anybody have any experience telling a new job offer you might need to delay?

Post hiring available to start date change
 

Can you show up to class for a day or two, then leave for mil again? That at least gets your sen # set.

I have a number of friends who have gone through indoc then gone on mil leave immediately. This gets you a seniority number. Worst case take 10 days of leave to get through indoc.

If you are released from active duty and then called back you need only be at your new employer 1 day. If you are on active duty and show up and then request mil leave you are not covered by mil leave law.

I'm not familiar with how it works as I am retired. I do have a friend though who did indoc at a major and then deployed. Hasn't been to training yet. Probably different as this guy is a Guardsman, not active duty.

The bottom line is that I don't think your future employer cares much if your availability changes by a few weeks or months. They understand. I'm sure they have plenty willing to move up a class date. That said, get your number as soon as humanly possible.

I'm facing the same issue. Active Duty. Waiting to see if AFPC will waive 6 months of an active duty service commitment so I can retire at 20 years. I probably won't have my answer prior to the interview. I counted at least three folks in the DAL Poolie thread who were in similar situations and had to delay taking a class for a bit. I just saw my friend's recent CJO letter from Delta and it says the CJO is good for six months. I'm pretty sure Delta will work with you. Just make sure you are up front and honest with them during the interview.

Interesting...when I interviewed in March the CJO was good for a year. And Delta will work with you; the CJO letter says you may defer on one class date, but AK said military could defer indefinitely. I don't remember if he specified whether or not you had to be active duty.

Delta will work with you if you are upfront and honest. They understand how the military works.

Interesting. I've been digging through the older posts in the Poolie thread, and about a year ago, I saw multiple posts where the CJO was good for 18 months. You say yours was good for 12 months. But I physically saw my friend's letter. It said 6 months. I wonder if they are purposely scaling it down for some reason.

If you are talking about fudging your availability date I wouldn't do it. I just finished indoc with Delta, and there is currently a guy in the pipeline who may get fired for dropping mil leave prior to consolidation.

The majors have eyes/ears in most of the mil flying units, and know the difference between a real pop-up contingency and someone who tried to game the system on their application.


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Thanks for the responses, guys. My intent isn't asking how to best deceive the airlines, but rather how to deal with a huge uncertainty. If you fail to be promoted twice, they will process you out of the Navy. You must be gone in 7 months, but it usually takes 3-4 to be processed.

That's a lot of room for slop when you tell them when you'd be available.

I guess my new question is, if you give them a conservative available date, is it reasonable to come back after a CJO and tell them you can and would like to class up earlier since you will be out of the military sooner?

No!

Yes you can do that if you are not on military orders/active duty when you start class. But leave status IS active duty.

The law protects those who are recalled AFTER starting employment (reserves) and it also protects folks who join the military in any capacity (including regular active duty) and report for boot camp/OCS after starting employment.

This is correct, do not get confused on this point.

You can attend new-hire training while on terminal leave but if you get recalled for some reason you are NOT protected by law. Maybe the airline will honor your seniority date but I doubt it.

They would probably give you a later class date but there's certainly no legal protection on that....this assumes it was something beyond your control, as opposed to you gaming the system or miscalculating your sep date.

Honestly there's no way to ensure seamless employment from military to major airline...your terminal leave is about all the "play" you have to work with it and it may not be enough depending on how the timing works out. Don't screw up a career-destination employment opportunity over a few months of pay.

Yes, absolutely. You can tell them up front about the uncertainty and let them know that you'd like a class as soon as practical after your actual release date. But give them the worst case date so you don't get burned.

Hey new guy here. I'm in a similar boat. I got an e-mail to interview on 28 Dec. The availability date I put on my application from several months ago was 1 Feb 2015, which is not close to accurate now. I have not even been approved for separation via Palace Chase. I'm curious what the best course of action is as my availability date is dependent on Palace Chase being approved and I probably won't know the answer to that for several weeks.

They will ask your during the interview if your availability date is still accurate, the palace chase would be an awkward conversation at that point.

I will let the Pilot Selection Team know next week when I call. Thanks

I disagree. They get the military. Just be honest with them and let them know that your future timing is completely in the hands of AFPC at this point.