Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1857164)
Must be a really close friend. :rolleyes:
Besides I have an hard time remembering what and when I fly myself. Who cares? I still wish I could go back in time and save both time and money with any PFT. Was it GIA, Avatar, or whatever else. If you are so curious of what plane did he upgraded with, I can find out. In the mean time, you can ask around and verify that yours and any other airline, legacies and majors, did hire pilots directly from GIA The supposed PFT stink was a myth that never existed in real life. |
Originally Posted by NoSidNoStar
(Post 1857165)
No. Obviously not. That does not change anything. Me and my close friend all went the CFI route. After that some went to the regionals, some went to 135. I belong to the latter, the most miserable.
Besides I have an hard time remembering what and when I fly myself. Who cares? I still wish I could go back in time and save both time and money with any PFT. If you are so curious of what plane did he upgraded with, I can find out. In the mean time, you can ask around and verify that yours and any other airline, legacies and majors, did hire pilots directly from GIA The supposed PFT stink was a myth that never existed in real life. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1857167)
Sorry, the GIA stink is very real. I'll let you deal with the rest.
I can't make names, so I will just wait for them to come out and talk. Yours is only your opinion, but it was not the opinion of whoever was doing the hiring. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1857138)
It's not exactly a respected history. Those that did that program have had the toughest time getting hired by top tier carriers from what I've seen.
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Originally Posted by NoSidNoStar
(Post 1857156)
Like I said, I know personally of at least one hired directly into DAL, forget passing through Pinnacle. Now he is a 757 Captain.
Originally Posted by NoSidNoStar
(Post 1857158)
He was hired in 2007
Originally Posted by NoSidNoStar
(Post 1857163)
Must be another airframe then. But he was hired in 2007 and he just upgraded.
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1857167)
Sorry, the GIA stink is very real. I'll let you deal with the rest.
Former GIA are at NWA/DAL, UAL/CAL AA, USAIR, AT/SWA, Spirit, Jetblue, UPS, Frontier, FedEx etc.. Quite a few directly hired into legacies and Nationals from GIA. At one point or another in the 90's almost all regionals had PFT. The only stink comes from all the sh!t you are shoveling. |
Originally Posted by Captain Nemo
(Post 1857241)
Lol, you are clueless sir just like the tool that started this thread.
Former GIA are at NWA/DAL, UAL/CAL AA, USAIR, AT/SWA, Spirit, Jetblue, UPS, Frontier, FedEx etc.. Quite a few directly hired into legacies and Nationals from GIA. At one point or another in the 90's almost all regionals had PFT. The only stink comes from all the sh!t you are shoveling. Additionally, what is the difference between a training contract, a low paying job and PFT? Never mind. It's only a rhetorical question. The fact remains that GIA PFT pilots got hired everywhere, and faster then the ones that went the CFI/135 route. |
Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
(Post 1857220)
:D HUGE difference between a 757 and a 717. 757 captain is somewhere around a mid 90s hire.
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Originally Posted by NoSidNoStar
(Post 1857341)
Here you go. Thank you for the feedback. Like I said, I wish I had done the GIA program.
Additionally, what is the difference between a training contract, a low paying job and PFT? Never mind. It's only a rhetorical question. The fact remains that GIA PFT pilots got hired everywhere, and faster then the ones that went the CFI/135 route. It doesn't change the fact that the GIA people have overall had a much tougher time getting on with the big carriers from 9E in particular. They are all that remain from my newhire class and many others. Not to mention, every fatal airliner accident in the US in the last decade has involved at least one GIA grad. (FLG3701, CMR5191, CJC3407) |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1857532)
Ok, so a few got hired directly from GIA.
It doesn't change the fact that the GIA people have overall had a much tougher time getting on with the big carriers from 9E in particular. They are all that remain from my newhire class and many others. Not to mention, every fatal airliner accident in the US in the last decade has involved at least one GIA grad. (FLG3701, CMR5191, CJC3407) Tough time? From my personal experience, the GIA pilots got hired much faster than the one of us that took the CFII/135 route. If they are not getting hired lately, which I don't know, it might be because turboprop time is not competitive. As for the accidents, which have nothing to do with the original discussion, and does not prove any point, DAL1086 UPS1354 UPS06 AA331 FE80 just in the last 6 years had no GIA grad on board. Not all of them were fatal accidents, but it could have been easily going the other way. You despise PFT, we got it, at some point I used to hate it too, I considered it cheating. Then I grew up and embraced reality. The fact you hate it has no effect on what happened in the last 10-15 years. The GIA pilots went every were. And to be objective, they must have been better pilots (flying 8 legs a day in a turbo prop, with no autopilot) then flight instructors with hundreds of of hours of traffic patterns or 135 pistons pilots, since none of the latter got hired directly into any major. |
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