sailingfun

I am not aware that ALPA does any pilot hiring.

SUX4U

I have to disagree with this approach. I am sorry but there has to be better ways to deal with the issue at hand than give those guys preferential hiring at the top jobs in the USA. Those guys that bailed out of the US industry because "times were tough" at the regional level, should not be able to go over, make a killing for 3-5 years, load up their bank accounts while helping build up the ME3 global dominance and then skip into a legacy seat just like that. There are way too many qualified Military, Regional, LCC, Corporate guys here in the USA that should not be penalized in their careers.

And in reality, say 300-500 pilots are hired within a very short time frame. Does anyone think Emirates would not drop their requirements to absolute minimums and go over to India, Indonesia and parts of Africa and offer those pilots an insane contract to join? I would imagine the hiccup that the ME3 would face would be short lived at best.

Typhoonpilot

So how about the hundreds of ALPA pilots who were furloughed or whose airlines went out of business post 9-11 that ended up in the Middle East? Are you even old enough to know that when many furloughed ALPA pilots went to the Middle East none of those carriers flew to the USA? Does your idea apply to them as well?

In a previous thread, or maybe this one I forget, I used the term "union thuggery". Thanks for a perfect example

Your second post is better, let's go with that one and avoid the union thuggery.



Typhoonpilot

MikeF16

Without going into specifics, I promise that you are badly mistaken in regard to the leverage they have. Just look at the assets we have in-country. Look at the proximity to Iran. Look at the complete lack of viable alternative locations.

That said, it is a MAD situation and IMO neither country will do anything to disturb the status quo. Our leadership will not humiliate the rulers of Qatar and the UAE by siding with a profitable US airline industry regardless of what the long view holds. I hope I'm wrong.

RemoveB4flght

This coming from a guy who spend all of 3 years at a regional before squeaking into a main line carrier with bare minimum qualifications as stated here:

I would have loved to seen your story had you ended up in the unemployment line in 2008 and eating into your savings had you been furloughed like many of us through a prolonged period of zero domestic hiring.

You post all over this forum talking about who should get hired and who shouldn't:

And you had sooooooo much left seat experience:

B*tch please, My tie tack has more TPIC than you.

I had finally made the jump from regional to a larger carrier like a lot of my colleagues here in the Middle East who paid a helluva lot more dues than you did before getting called up.

14 months on the street before I got the opportunity to come out here and work hard and earn some coin, so you sir can kiss my rosy red rectum.

Oh but wait a minute… you also mentioned this bit of career advice:

You contradict yourself left and right… and you know why?

You're a punk who got lucky with timing and then purports himself as an experienced mainline sky god who has been around the block and can pass judgement on others.

Small wonder you post mindless drivel like this. Go sling some gear.

Skyone

Really would like to understand this. There is an uproar about the EK 205, Dubai, Milan, JFK and return. In principle, please, how is this different than Atlanta, Narita, Bankok? Not flame, but would like to understand, again in principle, why one is different than the other. The 205 was agreed to by the Italian government, although there may be a change in the wind, now that Etihad owns a major stake of Alitalia. What about when Delta for eons was doing Atlanta, Paris, Mumbai or Atlanta, Amsterdam, Stuggart?

Thanks.

pilotrob23

That was too funny. +1

Andy

I'll give it a shot.
Fifth freedom rights are the right to fly between two foreign countries on a flight originating or ending in one's own country.

Historically (I'm carbon dating myself here, as Open Skies treaties have somewhat changed the landscape), it was difficult to gain fifth freedom rights.

The following is from memory; errors are possible/likely so if anyone wants to correct me, feel free to do so.
Due to the US' involvement in WWII, fifth freedom rights were granted to two US carriers in Europe and two US carriers in Asia. If you want more detail, do a search for the Bermuda Agreement (1946?).
In Europe, fifth freedom rights were granted to Pan Am and TWA(? - not sure on TWA).
In Asia, fifth freedom rights were granted to Northwest Orient and Pan Am.

European Pan Am fifth freedom rights were inherited by Delta with the purchase of their European routes.
Asian Pan Am fifth freedom rights were inherited by United with the purchase of their Pacific routes.
Asian Northwest Orient fifth freedom rights were inherited by Delta with the Northwest/Delta merger.


Other than those exceptions, the 'benchmark' for granting fifth freedom rights between two cities has been that the route is underserved and no origin/destination carrier desires to add service to those routes. On that basis, the JFK-MXP route authority should never have been granted to Emirates, as there is sufficient service on that route, served by Delta, American, and Alitalia.

I'll stop at this point because my belief is that Emirates was granted the route authority due to bribery ... or any other term you want to use to describe their use of contributions to influence politicians.

Grumble

Nice Internet sleuthing! Someone just got taken to school.

Sputnik

That was beautiful