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Old 04-26-2015, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Erdude32 View Post
How about Alpa do a white paper on the money trail between the Sheiks and Al Queda? Get the US to declare the UAE a state sponsor of terrorism and ban the ME3 from flying to the US altogether. Problem solved.

Not realistic. But, Alpa COULD blacklist every US Expat flying for any of the ME3 and ban them from Alpa membership for life. You want to fly for a ME3 that wants to run any US Carrier out of business? Fine, but you'll never work in the US again.

Hopefully the US Airline hiring Depts are thinking along the same lines.
I am not aware that ALPA does any pilot hiring.
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Old 04-26-2015, 08:44 AM
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Ya know I've had thoughts along those lines too. Hire every single last ME3 pilot with an app in...overnight & offer them a Business class seat home & signing bonus if they leave within 24 hours. Then once they get here get the contact info for every person they know that hasn't applied yet and recruit them within days. Between the Legacy US & European carriers we could ground the ME3 within a week. It would have to be a co-ordinated strike but there's no laws against it, we need the pilots and it might be cheaper than p!ssing away $$ on Capitol Hill where were being outspend 10:1.

It's time the gloves come off.
I have to disagree with this approach. I am sorry but there has to be better ways to deal with the issue at hand than give those guys preferential hiring at the top jobs in the USA. Those guys that bailed out of the US industry because "times were tough" at the regional level, should not be able to go over, make a killing for 3-5 years, load up their bank accounts while helping build up the ME3 global dominance and then skip into a legacy seat just like that. There are way too many qualified Military, Regional, LCC, Corporate guys here in the USA that should not be penalized in their careers.

And in reality, say 300-500 pilots are hired within a very short time frame. Does anyone think Emirates would not drop their requirements to absolute minimums and go over to India, Indonesia and parts of Africa and offer those pilots an insane contract to join? I would imagine the hiccup that the ME3 would face would be short lived at best.
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Old 04-26-2015, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Erdude32 View Post

Not realistic. But, Alpa COULD blacklist every US Expat flying for any of the ME3 and ban them from Alpa membership for life. You want to fly for a ME3 that wants to run any US Carrier out of business? Fine, but you'll never work in the US again.

Hopefully the US Airline hiring Depts are thinking along the same lines.

So how about the hundreds of ALPA pilots who were furloughed or whose airlines went out of business post 9-11 that ended up in the Middle East? Are you even old enough to know that when many furloughed ALPA pilots went to the Middle East none of those carriers flew to the USA? Does your idea apply to them as well?

In a previous thread, or maybe this one I forget, I used the term "union thuggery". Thanks for a perfect example

Your second post is better, let's go with that one and avoid the union thuggery.



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Old 04-26-2015, 09:52 AM
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They are both foreign oil lackeys. One holds their hands like a child and the other bows deeply to them. No difference. However, the current admin has been incredibly hostile to sunni rulers, even the relatively secular ones. Its borderline scorched earth, and the emerati are surrounded in it. They have to know the next "Arab spring" is always right around the corner. They are the ones with a dire, desperate, pathetically codependent need for our perpetual babysitting services. If they tried their lame tantrum on us that they tried on Canada, they'd be in a world of hurt. They have zero leverage. None.
Without going into specifics, I promise that you are badly mistaken in regard to the leverage they have. Just look at the assets we have in-country. Look at the proximity to Iran. Look at the complete lack of viable alternative locations.

That said, it is a MAD situation and IMO neither country will do anything to disturb the status quo. Our leadership will not humiliate the rulers of Qatar and the UAE by siding with a profitable US airline industry regardless of what the long view holds. I hope I'm wrong.
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Old 04-26-2015, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Erdude32 View Post
Not realistic. But, Alpa COULD blacklist every US Expat flying for any of the ME3 and ban them from Alpa membership for life. You want to fly for a ME3 that wants to run any US Carrier out of business? Fine, but you'll never work in the US again.

Hopefully the US Airline hiring Depts are thinking along the same lines.
This coming from a guy who spend all of 3 years at a regional before squeaking into a main line carrier with bare minimum qualifications as stated here:

Hockey, 80kts & myself are all at DAL. There was a VERY small window in '03-'07 that some of us slipped through. Admittedly we are the exception & not the norm. I went from my 1st Pvt Pilot lesson to an RJ in 11 months. 9E newhire 12/04....DAL Newhire 35 months later.
I would have loved to seen your story had you ended up in the unemployment line in 2008 and eating into your savings had you been furloughed like many of us through a prolonged period of zero domestic hiring.

You post all over this forum talking about who should get hired and who shouldn't:

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I'll say outloud what myself & others at mainline are thinking: Regional FOs with no turbine PIC do not belong at mainline and should not be granted an interview.
And you had sooooooo much left seat experience:

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Was probably me you heard about. I was hired at DAL in '07 with 700hrs of 1900 TPIC. I was in the right place at the right time, but also had a very diversified resume' & was a mid-life career changer. I went from 0 time to DAL in 3yrs 9 months. Networking, luck and taking charge of and mapping out my career instead of getting comfortable and afraid of making a strategic move.
B*tch please, My tie tack has more TPIC than you.

I had finally made the jump from regional to a larger carrier like a lot of my colleagues here in the Middle East who paid a helluva lot more dues than you did before getting called up.

14 months on the street before I got the opportunity to come out here and work hard and earn some coin, so you sir can kiss my rosy red rectum.

Oh but wait a minute… you also mentioned this bit of career advice:

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I'd take ANY direct entry CA job available right now, even expat in order to get the TPIC ASAP.
You contradict yourself left and right… and you know why?

You're a punk who got lucky with timing and then purports himself as an experienced mainline sky god who has been around the block and can pass judgement on others.

Small wonder you post mindless drivel like this. Go sling some gear.
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Old 04-26-2015, 11:49 PM
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Really would like to understand this. There is an uproar about the EK 205, Dubai, Milan, JFK and return. In principle, please, how is this different than Atlanta, Narita, Bankok? Not flame, but would like to understand, again in principle, why one is different than the other. The 205 was agreed to by the Italian government, although there may be a change in the wind, now that Etihad owns a major stake of Alitalia. What about when Delta for eons was doing Atlanta, Paris, Mumbai or Atlanta, Amsterdam, Stuggart?

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Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght View Post
This coming from a guy who spend all of 3 years at a regional before squeaking into a main line carrier with bare minimum qualifications as stated here:



I would have loved to seen your story had you ended up in the unemployment line in 2008 and eating into your savings had you been furloughed like many of us through a prolonged period of zero domestic hiring.

You post all over this forum talking about who should get hired and who shouldn't:



And you had sooooooo much left seat experience:



B*tch please, My tie tack has more TPIC than you.

I had finally made the jump from regional to a larger carrier like a lot of my colleagues here in the Middle East who paid a helluva lot more dues than you did before getting called up.

14 months on the street before I got the opportunity to come out here and work hard and earn some coin, so you sir can kiss my rosy red rectum.

Oh but wait a minute… you also mentioned this bit of career advice:



You contradict yourself left and right… and you know why?

You're a punk who got lucky with timing and then purports himself as an experienced mainline sky god who has been around the block and can pass judgement on others.

Small wonder you post mindless drivel like this. Go sling some gear.
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Old 04-27-2015, 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyone View Post
Really would like to understand this. There is an uproar about the EK 205, Dubai, Milan, JFK and return. In principle, please, how is this different than Atlanta, Narita, Bankok? Not flame, but would like to understand, again in principle, why one is different than the other. The 205 was agreed to by the Italian government, although there may be a change in the wind, now that Etihad owns a major stake of Alitalia. What about when Delta for eons was doing Atlanta, Paris, Mumbai or Atlanta, Amsterdam, Stuggart?

Thanks.
I'll give it a shot.
Fifth freedom rights are the right to fly between two foreign countries on a flight originating or ending in one's own country.

Historically (I'm carbon dating myself here, as Open Skies treaties have somewhat changed the landscape), it was difficult to gain fifth freedom rights.

The following is from memory; errors are possible/likely so if anyone wants to correct me, feel free to do so.
Due to the US' involvement in WWII, fifth freedom rights were granted to two US carriers in Europe and two US carriers in Asia. If you want more detail, do a search for the Bermuda Agreement (1946?).
In Europe, fifth freedom rights were granted to Pan Am and TWA(? - not sure on TWA).
In Asia, fifth freedom rights were granted to Northwest Orient and Pan Am.

European Pan Am fifth freedom rights were inherited by Delta with the purchase of their European routes.
Asian Pan Am fifth freedom rights were inherited by United with the purchase of their Pacific routes.
Asian Northwest Orient fifth freedom rights were inherited by Delta with the Northwest/Delta merger.


Other than those exceptions, the 'benchmark' for granting fifth freedom rights between two cities has been that the route is underserved and no origin/destination carrier desires to add service to those routes. On that basis, the JFK-MXP route authority should never have been granted to Emirates, as there is sufficient service on that route, served by Delta, American, and Alitalia.

I'll stop at this point because my belief is that Emirates was granted the route authority due to bribery ... or any other term you want to use to describe their use of contributions to influence politicians.
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Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght View Post
This coming from a guy who spend all of 3 years at a regional before squeaking into a main line carrier with bare minimum qualifications as stated here:



I would have loved to seen your story had you ended up in the unemployment line in 2008 and eating into your savings had you been furloughed like many of us through a prolonged period of zero domestic hiring.

You post all over this forum talking about who should get hired and who shouldn't:



And you had sooooooo much left seat experience:



B*tch please, My tie tack has more TPIC than you.

I had finally made the jump from regional to a larger carrier like a lot of my colleagues here in the Middle East who paid a helluva lot more dues than you did before getting called up.

14 months on the street before I got the opportunity to come out here and work hard and earn some coin, so you sir can kiss my rosy red rectum.

Oh but wait a minute… you also mentioned this bit of career advice:



You contradict yourself left and right… and you know why?

You're a punk who got lucky with timing and then purports himself as an experienced mainline sky god who has been around the block and can pass judgement on others.

Small wonder you post mindless drivel like this. Go sling some gear.
Nice Internet sleuthing! Someone just got taken to school.
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Old 04-27-2015, 05:58 AM
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My tie tack has more TPIC than you.

That was beautiful
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